Contax TVS Digital press release

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New Digital Contax TVS??

Kyocera Germany News Release:
BIG FOCUS FOR SMALL COMPANION

More and more amateurs leave their Single Lens Reflex cameras and their bulky photo cases at home and join the photo safari with ultra compact digital cameras. The Finecam S5 digital camera is a real alternative for ambitious amateur photo-graphers. Three brand new models from Kyocera will be presented at this year's PHOTOKINA in Cologne (hall 1.2,stand F29).

Kyocera increases their range of digicams with check card sized 3 and 5 Megapixel digicams.
Finecam S3L and S5 for amateur photo enthusiasts and the Contax TVS digital with 5 Megapixel for the semiprofessional use.

With the Finecam S5 - an absolute highlight of the exhibition, Kyocera presents one of the smallest and lightest digital cameras of the 5-Megapixel class.
 
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Hi Hercules,

yes, there will come a nice surprise at the photokina. But I can not go into detail here at the moment. I made this subtopic already for future hot discussions


I will try to put a bunch of news together latest at the beginning of september for your preparation of the photokina


dirk
 
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Hi Drik:

Nice to see you here, so i repost the news here again, I'm hurry and looking for any surprise from Kyocera/Contax/Yashica also Olympus/Kodak "Olydak" alliance product from photokina, if anymore here can attend the photokina, give us some first hand info.

Drik, I place some photo by Contax lens on Hong Kong Contax Forum, if u have time, please take a look.

hercules
 
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Hi Dirk:

Nice to see you here, so I repost the news here again seems more fit, I'm hurry and looking for any surprise from Kyocera/Contax/Yashica also Olympus/Kodak "Olydak" alliance product from photokina, if anymore here can attend the photokina, please give us some first hand info.

Dirk, I place some photo by Contax lens on Hong Kong Contax Forum, if you have time, please have a look.

Hercules
 
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there is a picture of the new Contax TVS Digital.
It looks very similar to the T3, with some
differences (e.g. no passive AF sensor needed).
The lens seems to be a Vario Sonnar 35-105mm
equivalent, 1:2.8-4.0. Looks like it is no competitor for the likes of the Canon G3 (more like the Canon S45).

Oliver
 
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Thanks for posting the link to the Tvs Digital PDF Dirk...

Apart from being a compact 5MP with a Vario Sonnar T* lens and a 1/2000 max shutter, many of the other Tvs Digital's specs are disappointing.

There is no mention of either uncompressed TIFF or RAW output, no shutter priority mode(except 3 "long shutter" settings), no shutter speeds longer than 8 seconds, and no F stops lower than F2.8 or higher than F6.7.

The year-old Sony DSC-S85(4MP) has a faster lense(F2.0-2.5), many more aperture and shutter settings, a shutter priority mode, a full manual mode, stops down to F8, and it also has a Zeiss lens!

I hope that the Contax Tvs Digital is capable of a picture quality that puts it into a class of its own. You would think that for the money that Contax is likely to ask for the Tvs Digital, they would have created a model that doesn't skimp on features that other vendors have been offering for quite a while. The specs make the camera appear to be not any more than a Zeiss lens on an immature Finecam chassis, that happens to be wrapped in Titanium. IMHO, the Finecam S5 looks like a deliberately "crippled" version of the Tvs Digital.

Anyway, I hope I am wrong...because I would really like to buy a compact digital camera that lives up to the Contax name.


-SJV
 
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> > > > I think many current mini digital camera of the similar size are not having > those functions anyway. I am more concern its makro ability which has been > very important for digital P&S. Brgds/Kaisern > > >
 
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can't agree more with SJV.

based on the specs the TvsDigital is no more than a Finecam in Contax disguise which itself is hardly worth mentioning.

imho a major disappointment from Contax.

i am glad we are not seeing a G Digital any time soon.
 
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Hey guys, you judge a product before anybody has seen it. Up to now it's all guessing.

But since we already know about the zoom range, here is one point of meat:
I absolutely do not understand why so many digital p&s users want for long focal lengths! Are they all would-be wildlife photographers?

I think a 28-85 zoom range would have been ideal. 35-X is insufficient. :-(

Puh, seems that I have to keep on lugging my G2 and think about a film scanner.
 
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Here's the link to the Tvs Digital specification sheet that Dirk provided in another thread:

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How well the camera works, and how good the pictures look have yet to be seen, but my year-long research on digital cameras leads me to believe that although JPEG compression can be an acceptable trade off in quality to maintain smaller file sizes, the serious digital photographer needs lossless compression, no compression, or raw image data in order to retain maximum image fidelity. JPEG compression, to my knowledge, is none of these.

Even though digital cameras may impose new limitations on photography, they do not share all of the limitations of traditional cameras. Many current compact digital cameras offer f2.0-2.8 standard since the focal lengths start at 7mm. Magnification comes with less penalty than they do in 35mm. A 1/1000 or faster shutter speeds in compact digital cameras are also common, and a 15 or 30 second shutter speeds are not unheard of in other MIDRANGE digital cameras.

In other words, although 35mm film may still outperform the image quality of a 5MP camera, compact digital camera features can be much more sophisticated than even an aperture-priority P&S.

The lack of uncompressed or raw output is my main gripe. Perhaps this could be solved through firmware revision before release, who knows. A camera that is advertised in press releases as "semi-pro" should atleast offer an uncompressed option.

Shutter priority and/or full manual is also possible in such a compact camera. This is where the Tvs Digital could have been more superlative than its competition. The current specifications for the Tvs Digital are merely average in the "pro-sumer" class of cameras.

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BTW: My information comes mostly through comparison of the reviews and photographs at the following (excellent) digital camera review sites:

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Any word on ISO sensitivity yet? For me this would only be an acceptable back up tool if it went up to 800. Otherwise it's back to Nikons.

Matt
 
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Scott,

thanks for the link.

I think your are totally right about the missing TIFF or RAW feature. = A semi-pro camera must provide lossless output for photoshop users.

Hopefully they just forgot it in the data sheet?



Again, I would have appreciated a CF II slot instead of MM/SD, in = order to use a Microdrive.=20

But from the specs, the real disappointment for me remains the focal = range. The only digicams with a 28mm lens are still Nikon 5000 and = Minolta Dynax 7i; which both are horrible photographic instruments, = IMHO.
 
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I agree that a 28mm lens would have been better, especially for landscape and architectural use. A 28mm-90mm lens would have been optimum, but I'd personally settle with the 35-105mm.

What troubles me more about the lens is that not only are your stuck with only 3 aperture settings at 105mm, the widest aperture of F4.8 is narrower than the F4.7 the camera uses when its not zoomed out.

Once more, look at Sony's DSC-S85. The stops start at F2.0 at wide angle, and F2.5 at telephoto:

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Perhaps I am missing something here; I hope I am.

-SJV
 
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This can still be a successful product (for Contax) if the timing is right as well as the price. So far for all I feel it is going to be a failure similar to Leica Digilux. Camera is just not going to be released on time. Olympus and Nikon are having working prototypes of similar equipment ready to be shipped. Olympus actually quoted a price of 550 British Pounds for their camera. Reasons to buy a Contax on this level are very few and so far in my opinion it is only titanium finish and size. If I want the Zeiss lens I will go to any Sony product. If I want a better ISO rating I go to Nikon. The fact is that Contax can't take their sweet time with perfecting this camera. People want the best and the newest now not tomorrow. Digital market is not riding on reputation of the camera (maybe first) but mostly it is riding on specs. So what that Contax is going to release the camera with 5MP when everyone is ready to smack 6MP chips into their point and shoots. And since Kyocera in general doesn't have the highest opinion between salesmen as far as digital goes I think that Contax has to go out and make customer want that camera. They can't wait for the word of mouth to do the job for them because it is going to be waaaay to late. I really waited for this camera and now according to specs I will be just as happy with Sony 85 or a Canon G3.
 
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Hi,

had a quick look at the photokina at the Contax TVS Digital. It is looking very small, is extremly light, almost too light. Unfortunately there were no prints made by Contax for the Photokina


And there was neither the possibility to make prints there directly.


VERY STRANGE for the world biggest and most important photo-fair....

Same for the N-Digital by the way. Although a working model was there, the big printer was not working (for three days now) and additionnally there was no bigger paper then postcard size available.

Fortunately 2 minutes away Canon presented a working model of 11m pixel camera with full size chip. They made shootings with a model and direct prints of A1-size for intersted people.

At least some companies know that they want to get money from us, the costumer, not the other way around...

dirk
 
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Hi Dirk,
I've been at the 'kina on wednesday and thursday and spend some time at the Kyocera booth. You mention the manufacturer with the 11mp body whom I visited 'cause its new "not quite p&s" named G3 :) from which I own the first Model (the new one is all plastic - argh!). My coleagues were interested in the 11MP body, because they allready own the 3 and 6 MP Prosumer Models and the high end analogue ones (Model 3 and 1v) and lots of lenses. There is a real difference between that manufacturer and Kyocera. The best information I got about Contax G2 lenses was at the Zeiss booth where we had a fun time with two Zeiss employees me and a swede who is a Contaxt G2 owner, too. You've seen Leicas booth on the way, how many M7's have you tried? Did you take one on a walk with a Kodak T-Max and have that processed in an hour? Same thing with the Sigma SD9, I took my microdrive to Fuji after the photosession. Have you shot Hasselblads and Rolleis at Agfa? There was one Contax 645 body at leaf and phase one, but what kind of marketing is this? Judging from the experience at the Kyocera booth I don't think they are interested in selling Cameras anymore.

just my 0.02 Euro

Volker
P.S.: without the guy who recognised me from CeBit and my Press Badge it would have been worse.
 
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I was at the Photokina and looked at the TVS on show at the Contax stand. It is small and smooth (or should I say slippery). I was not really impressed with what I saw at the stand as yet:
1. the camera feels like plastic and looks like plastic
2 the monitor performance was really poor: low sharpness and contrast and no way one can judge the quality of the camera by this, even with the zoom in the picture was not good.
The guys at the stand said the models on the show are prototypes and the software for the monitor was not entirely finished and therefore not released. The production models once released and for sale will be titanium and with sharp and crisp monitors was their "defence"
Not far from the Contax/Kyocera stand I looked at the Sigma digital SLR with the Foveon CCD (this CCD, unlike all the others, can convert colour information in every pixel instead of by extrapolation with neighbouring pixels and therefore has a significantly higher useful resolution that the comparable Canon and Nikon systems). I was really impressed with the pictures they were producting. The Sigma guys are really scared that the RAW files end up in the wrong place (I could not get a RAW file to take it home and work on it at home to see the quality in Photoshop). Sigma is apparently scared like hell for the big boys in this market and they have a few more months to go before the Sigma digital SLR will be in the shops.

Peter
 
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hi,

Does someone when the CONTAX TVS DIGITAL will be on the market in EUROPE?
 
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I was interested in the camara as well, so I visited the Contax booth at the Photokina for this purpose about 10 days ago. I was told at the Photokina that it will be for sale before end of the year, but the Contax staff at the booth did not want to give a definitive date and it may also be varying by country. At the Photokina I had the distinct impression that the TVS digital is not yet ready and needs some more development (see my comments earlier in this thread).
 
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