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D2H first impressions

dirk

dirk

CI-Founder
Hi everybody,

I guess all Nikonians think now: "finally..."

We waited a long time for something new on the digital slr front. Always with the hope that this "new model" will have something to compete against Canon et alii. I guess with this new sensor, Nikon might gain some of the market share back - if Canon surprises us not again in autumn.

What do you think about this new D2H. What are you missing, what do you like? What about a downsized D200?
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achim

maybe a critical comment but...

I followed the discussion over the last weeks about the Olympus E-1 randomly on other forums and the introduction of the D2h today.

Many people claimed that the E-1 was priced too high (2000 Euro) and has not enough MP (5MP).

As of today tha announcement of the new Nikon D2H with 4MP and a price tag of 4000 Euro is getting applauded by everybody

The D2H was made for press and sports photographers - not for people who need the highest image quality. At least Nikon is stating this clearly in the announcements. That keeps the expectations on a realistic level for the image quality. But Olympus did not say that the E-1 would be the maximum MP-Camera they would ever offer in the future neither.

But with a Nikon camera with 4MP (APS size sensor) and a price which is the double of the Olympus, everybody seems to be comfortable with.

Is this logical?
 
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wd8cdh

Active Member
But remember that the E-1 is really a D?X competitor not a D?H competitor so the MP comparison is not valid. The D2H most likely will have at least 8.2MP and still have as high or higher ISO than the E-1.

Also, the E-1 still has a rather tiny viewfinder. It is listed at x.96 but that is with a 50mm lens. If translated to a 25mm "normal" lens, it is only x.48 magnification.

The D2H is listed at x.86 which works out to x.58 with 33mm "normal" lens. That is still not as high of magnification as I would like but still reasonable.

Ron Schroeder
Brookhaven National Lab
 
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wd8cdh

Active Member
Oops, I ment that the D2X most likely will have at least 8.2MP (not D2H).

Ron Schroeder
Brookhaven National Lab
 
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polymath

Yes, D2X should follow shortly that will cater to a different market segment. As far as I heard D200 is still about a year away.
 
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achim

mmmmhhh....

The E-1 is also build for a certain market. And there will definitely come a E-2 and E-3 with more MP and other features over the time.

Nikon has not the ownership of offering different models for different needs. The D2H is for certain need the same way as the E-1 is for certain needs.

Regarding the viewfinder. Almost all analog cameras have "only" a viewfinder of 95%. Nobody complained about that so far. The calculation with 25mm I do not understand, maybe you can explain this more in detail.

The D2H shall have a 100% viewfinder I think.
 
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wd8cdh

Active Member
Hi Achim,

To truely tell the apparent magnification of a viewfinder, you really should calculate it based on the frame size and the "normal" lens that goes with that frame size. Since the E-1 has a x2 multipliplication factor, it's "normal" lens would be 25mm (25mm x 2 = 50mm)

A DX camera would have a 33mm "normal" lens (33 x 1.5 = 49.5mm)

Ron
 
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innocent

Hi everyone!
If some of you out there are not fed up about which gear is next in the market certainly some of us are, and about time to start talking about the art of photography.
While I do not intend to indulge in the "which gear" debate, is it not right that Nikon should develope a back pack for F5 because in my view, no matter how the ongoing debate about digital-film slrs are skewed in favour of digital, a digital at best still remains an alternative, not the real image making equipment. No, I cant be drawn to this argument.
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oskarb

For sometime with a colleague I have been playing around with different digital cameras, MF backs Imacon, Kodak DCS and the like as well as pro D SLRs.

In terms of image file quality we have found (somewhat surprisingly) that the Nikon D2H stacks up very well against any digital SLR, despite its 4MP sensor. The D2H IMHO is a generational advancement in SLR digital technology. Given the exceptional file quality we have pulled from D2H, the Nikon D2 should when released be a killer in the digital world. The pixel form produced from the D2H is excellent with good transfer edges. You can easily blow the files up and print way above A2 size without the image falling apart.

This camera is much more than a sports/photojournalists tool. It will easily handle high quality prepress work. And boy is it fast. The image quality of the D2H compares very well with the Olympus and Fuji S2 cameras. If anything it is better. I can’t believe more of you here on the Nikon site are not singing the praises of this camera. Nikon have been the quite achievers in the D SLR market place producing solid professional digital cameras that actually work. Forget the numbers marketers love to throw at us, its all about the pictures folks.

Regards to all Craig Hoehne
 
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mrein49

I have owned my D2h for a month. I shoot weddings with a D100 but want to switch so I can have a camera with professional performance. The quality of the large jpegs from the D 100 are as good as they ever need to be. I have been doing some raw to jpeg conversions in capture 4 from my D2h. I don't know anything about any other pro level cameras, but when I compared the D100
jpeg at 100% to the D2h Conversion at 100% I almost fell off my chair. It is like comparing kodachrome to velvia. The D2h in the right hands is a powerful tool. My point is all of this stuff don't mean anything unless you know what your doing.
 
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walterfr

Member
Hello Mark

I do use the D2H as well as the D100 - but my favorite is teh D2 anyway - my customers (magazines, newspapers) are happy with the quality of the D2H and there is no need for me to take more pics with the D100. Anyway I already ordered one D2X for High resolution pics - but my D2H will be my favorite anyway.

Kind regards from France (Europe)

Walter
 
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algo_rithm

Hi, two questions. 1.) Mark: Which camera is the Kodachrome and which is the Fuji?

2.) Walter: How are you able to order a camera that has not been officially announced? Is it that you just told your dealer the minute it is, order me one? If you are in the mood, just get me one too ;~)

Bo
 
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mrein49

the D2h has a far superior imaging chip than the D 100 so I guess that would make the D 100 the kodachrome. (Not that there is anything wrong with kodachrome) Half of my stock is on kodachrome. Anyway I love my D2h. Also remember we are suppose to be artists and art is subjective. Good luck to all who want better tools.
 
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algo_rithm

I remember the day when Kodachrome 25 was the undisputed ch&, that's why I asked :)
 
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walterfr

Member
@ Boris

I just told my UK-Nikon dealer, whenever it is possible, to preorder/order; he should do so for me ! I am aware of, that there was no official announcement so far.

nice weekend

Walter
 
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