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Epson introduces digital M


It appears to say something like this in the penultimate paragraph:
<<This knitting machine is not yet for sale, and it is in any case probably only suitable for hobbyists who insist on using 1940s lenses, which is a funny kind of existence when you think about it. The kind of maniacs who would carry these monsters about would not reach large numbers.>>


I think you maybe just missed my intended humour. Look again at the Japanese link you gave. The babelspeak is highly entertaining. And the photo looks as though the lens has actually been around a lot longer than that.


You wrote:
"According to our information from Epson Germany, the lens mount is for all existing M-lenses. No mentioning of lenses from the 40ies."

My only Leica lenses are from the 40s (and I have one new cosina voigtlander 35/2.5) and I use them as easily on my M body as on my IIIC. I can't imagine why the LTM>M adapters would not work as wonderfully on a digital M body as they do on a film M body.

Carpe Luminem.


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As I have written before, I like film, and the craftsmanship installed in fine cameras. A digital M to me, is contrary to the essence of an M body, just as machine made boots are to hand made boots, or putting an engine on a glider.

I hope this digital back is not the straw that breaks Leica’s back.

It seems that Contax is gone, I hope Leica is not, but their profit’s are low and with this digital implosion, if you want Leica to stay in business, you will need to purchase their products new, not used.

To better news:
Best Regards



Gilbert wrote:
..."if you want Leica to stay in business, you will need to purchase their products new, not used."

I shoot my Leicas for fun.
I shoot with Nikons for a living.
My equipment needs to be able to pay for itself quickly or I may as well take up a salaried position in some corporation.

If the Leica's digital M is capable of the quality that I can get from my DSLRs and I can afford it, I'll buy one (if it actually comes off the drwaing board in 2 years.) Until then, I will consider this Cosina Epson thing, to use with my used and Cosina LTM lenses. They, like the used M4P and used IIIc have proven to be the best price point for my occasional just for fun uses of them.

Be well,


Gilbert's points are I think quite valid. Leica have for many years made fine imaging tools to do a job very well. Increasingly, cameras are now being developed to sell to a market. Like a spade or wheelbarrow with a TV on the handle so you can work in the yard and still catch your favourate programme.

However, I must say here that I'm not anti digital it is wonderful technology that works well and efficiently for certain applications, prepress, newspaper photography etc. It is simply a matter of selecting the appropriate tool to do the job well.

The new Epson is not a Leica M, just like a Contax G2, Voiglander or Hexar, or Nikon S3 for that matter, are not Leica Ms. And why insist on putting optics developed for film in front of a digital sensor? If we must have, and the market demands that we do, have digital camera systems based on 35mm camera then Nikon is on the right track. Nikon’s approach with their DX lenses seems to me to be the more logical root. However, if you want really high quality digital imagery then MF is the only way to go.

regards Craig


Of course it won't replace an M body.

But for someone looking to be able to shoot some digital and who only owns an M system and isn't looking to reinvest in a whole range of Nikon, Canon etc lenses, this could be a solution.



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For Justin Scott . . .
Posted by Justin Scott (Hektor) on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:10 pm:

I don't understand why the lever advance!

Here are my interpretation of the various control.

Top deck:
1. the advance lever is to wind the shutter - save battery life.
2. the little lever below the advance is potentially use to
wind the shutter for 'double-exposure.'
3. the shutter speed dial is self-explained with a)with EV
compensations ±2EV at 1/3 stop increment; b)Bulb-one
second to 1/2000 sec speed. I doubt if it has a prolong
slow speed beyond 1 second; 2) ISO sensitivity is set
as per a standard film camera (before AF-SLR came in vogue).
4. the analogue dial shows a) the number exposure possible (up to
500); b) battery level for F(ull) to E(mpty); c) compression
settings (i.e., resolution, auto, manual, etc.); d) N(ormal)
or H(igh) or R(aw) capture mode 5. accessory shoe is Non-Dedicated for Auto flash only not TTL.
Note serial number 90001xx. There are two serial numbered
s&les shown. 9000187 and 9000176.
6. lever next to accessory shoe is for frameline selection
7. the mystery 'rewind knob' MAY BE use to open the access
door for the memory card compartment and/or the computer
ports (IEEE 1394 and/or USB and external power connection
OR . . . diopter adjustment for eyepiece
OR . . . Viewfinder 'zooming' control

1. the LCD screen is pivoted and may be rotated to act as its
own cover (by turning it backward)
the five (5) buttons on the LCD, from top to bottom:
a) playback
b) menu
c) for selection control (for both menuing and playback)
d) go to next page (for menuing or for thumbnail page
e) this last button is the same as the 'OK' or the 'Set'
button for menuing control.
2. The level below the advance lever is the main power switch
3. the button to its left is a possible AE lock

1. only visible control is the 'M-mount' release button.

Left side (as viewed from back:
1. external PC fitting for external flash synchronization
2. the compartment for memory card and computer control must
either be located at this end or located behind the panel
below the power switch.

Who knows as there are no pictures of the bottom. I can only assume
that there is a tripod socket (1/4-20), a battery compartment and
if the memory compartment is not located in either of the two places
I describe earlier, it'll be on the bottom.

This is AS I SEE them!



Thank-you Tsun, a most informative summary which I have filed for future reference.




A very interesting assessment of the controls, Tsun

Thankyou and best regards, Craig


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I don't understand why the lever advance!...
Thanks Tsun for the information..but are you SURE it's not just to wind the digtals onto the take up spool?....
On a serious note..Anybody know how much it's going to cost and where to get one?


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One of the things I find the most interesting about this body is not that it will be able to mount a LTM or M mount body but that it will in fact be able to mount lenses such as the Canon FD line. by using a Canon Mount Adapter B which allows for a Canon FD lens to have proper registration on a LTM body which with the addition of a M bayonet adapter will have the same effect on a M mount body. This might not be that useful if the rear LCD screen is not real time viewing the way it is on most P$S digitals or if they use an optical viewfinder rangefinder as it appears they are (an EVF a LCD viewfinder like the new Canon Pro 1 is going to have would sure be nice). But it would still allow zone focusing of a huge number of SLR lenses from Canon, Pentax, Nikon, Contax etc...... to be mounted to this body.

Any one ever wonder what a 7.5mm Canon fisheye would look like with a digital capture or my 14mm f2.8L nFD or any of the great SLR manual focus wides and 50's that would be able to zone focus on this body.

The idea that I could buy a body to use my 5cm f2.8 Elmar LTM on and capture a digital image and then be able to switch to a 35mm f1.8 Canon LTM or a 17mm f4.0 Canon FD really interests me.

If Cosina finds a nitch with this first venture I see then (based on their historical business model) producing bodies that would work with these different Manual focus SLR and rangefinder lenses. Could be a great profit maker for them. A kind of universal digital body.

Mark W.


The Epson M, is this for real? I cannot believe that the pic of the digi Epson M looks so unreal/unattractive. I know Epson is capable of superb looking designs but this one really baffles me. Why would Epson want to invest in a digi camera with an M mount? The number of M-mount lenses is limited. Unless there is a partnership with Epson to produce a prototype digi M?

Is someone having fun in this forum with all of us?


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Please use this thread to discus the Epson-M-dogital RF. We moved your message over here.

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Epson Germany confirmed this Epson-M body to us. It is real, it is already shown at the PMA and it will come within the next months into the shelves.


Sorry folks about my ignorance on the existence of the Epson M body...... My apologies.


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No apology necessary. I'm glad you posted and make me aware of the option. I will look into it and consider buying one! Thank you.