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Limited edition for Contaxinfo members
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lotusm50_is_Jensen
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Dirk-
Certainly there are a number of asuumptions on both sides -- and a leap of faith. Faith that I do not seem to have.
First, I do not prefer Leica. I do not have any Leica equipment and never have. Most of my equipment is Contax -- A fairly complete G-system, and a 645 system, and I used to have a few of the 35mm MF cameras (still have a few lenses lying around). The only break from this is a Canham 4x5 and a Toyo 4x5 (I even have a Zeiss lens for them), a Voightlander Bessa L with that nifty 15mm Ultra wide Heliar (a bargain), and a Olympus E-20N with a bunch of accessories (still waiting for a viable ND). I view the high prices paid for limited Leicas with different finishes as fanatical, irrational, and a way to relieve a little money from people with much too much of it. They make a good, if expensive, product normally, that suits a particular type of photographer. I don't think it particularly suits me, which is why I do not own them -- contrary to your assumption. By the way, in terms of longevity I was refering to the traditional mechanical Leica, not Leica digital. Interestingly, the Panasonic badged version of these Panasonic made camera even get to claim the "Leica" name on the lens -- making it clear that there are no differences between the cameras other than name -- and, of course, the higher price on the Leica badged one.
Second, there certainly seem to be divergences in what people see as value. Perhaps I am much too practical in nature, but merely slapping an extra logo on a camera does not increase its value for me. It still performs as it did without the logo. That said, I do not think it is a bad idea. These things are often done from a promotional point of view, and it is a nice thing to do for a group that supports you. I just don't see why one would pay a significant premium for it.
Finally, regarding the Kyocera/Contax twin SL300R cameras. Kyocera certainly did not go out of its way to differentiate the Contax version from the Kyocera. They may have changed the color. But they didn't even bother to give it a different model number!! This along with the same specs, logically leads one to question whether they are the same. I do not take it on faith that the Contax must be superior because it is called a Contax. Is the premium for the Contax over the Kyocera as ludicruious as the premium for the Leica over the Panasonic? It seems to me that a test of the cameras is a rational way to resolve this. I learned long ago that you can not take these things on "faith".
Certainly there are a number of asuumptions on both sides -- and a leap of faith. Faith that I do not seem to have.
First, I do not prefer Leica. I do not have any Leica equipment and never have. Most of my equipment is Contax -- A fairly complete G-system, and a 645 system, and I used to have a few of the 35mm MF cameras (still have a few lenses lying around). The only break from this is a Canham 4x5 and a Toyo 4x5 (I even have a Zeiss lens for them), a Voightlander Bessa L with that nifty 15mm Ultra wide Heliar (a bargain), and a Olympus E-20N with a bunch of accessories (still waiting for a viable ND). I view the high prices paid for limited Leicas with different finishes as fanatical, irrational, and a way to relieve a little money from people with much too much of it. They make a good, if expensive, product normally, that suits a particular type of photographer. I don't think it particularly suits me, which is why I do not own them -- contrary to your assumption. By the way, in terms of longevity I was refering to the traditional mechanical Leica, not Leica digital. Interestingly, the Panasonic badged version of these Panasonic made camera even get to claim the "Leica" name on the lens -- making it clear that there are no differences between the cameras other than name -- and, of course, the higher price on the Leica badged one.
Second, there certainly seem to be divergences in what people see as value. Perhaps I am much too practical in nature, but merely slapping an extra logo on a camera does not increase its value for me. It still performs as it did without the logo. That said, I do not think it is a bad idea. These things are often done from a promotional point of view, and it is a nice thing to do for a group that supports you. I just don't see why one would pay a significant premium for it.
Finally, regarding the Kyocera/Contax twin SL300R cameras. Kyocera certainly did not go out of its way to differentiate the Contax version from the Kyocera. They may have changed the color. But they didn't even bother to give it a different model number!! This along with the same specs, logically leads one to question whether they are the same. I do not take it on faith that the Contax must be superior because it is called a Contax. Is the premium for the Contax over the Kyocera as ludicruious as the premium for the Leica over the Panasonic? It seems to me that a test of the cameras is a rational way to resolve this. I learned long ago that you can not take these things on "faith".
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djg
Hey, Bob, you should take that as a compliment!
Mojo-Jojo has a mutated super-brain with enhanced intelligence (check out that crainial capacity in the image Paul so graciously posted), and one of his hilarious peculiarities is to say the same thing in several different ways in the same sentence, hence the reference in your particular posting's context.
I certainly was not infering from his other nasty habits, such as beating up (or trying to, as he usually gets his simian butt kicked) super-powered young girls
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DJ
Mojo-Jojo has a mutated super-brain with enhanced intelligence (check out that crainial capacity in the image Paul so graciously posted), and one of his hilarious peculiarities is to say the same thing in several different ways in the same sentence, hence the reference in your particular posting's context.
I certainly was not infering from his other nasty habits, such as beating up (or trying to, as he usually gets his simian butt kicked) super-powered young girls
DJ
jakob_groes
Active Member
So how did the voting turn out?
dirk
CI-Founder
sorry for the delay.
The most votings on Tuesday got the proposal of Andrey Akimov
This was his proposal:
Second place was the proposal of Hank Graber (Retro Design)
Congratulations and thank you all for your proposals and active participation.
As a next step we will talk now with Kyocera to find the best solution how to use the logo on the camera, all technical and logistic issues, prices and delivery time etc.
As soon as we have more details, we will publish them here. But expect at least 2 weeks for this.
Andrey, you better do not buy a digital camera over the next weeks, because you will get a limited edition for free as the winner of this competition
The most votings on Tuesday got the proposal of Andrey Akimov
This was his proposal:
Second place was the proposal of Hank Graber (Retro Design)
Congratulations and thank you all for your proposals and active participation.
As a next step we will talk now with Kyocera to find the best solution how to use the logo on the camera, all technical and logistic issues, prices and delivery time etc.
As soon as we have more details, we will publish them here. But expect at least 2 weeks for this.
Andrey, you better do not buy a digital camera over the next weeks, because you will get a limited edition for free as the winner of this competition
andrey_akimov
Member
Dirk!
Thank you very much for the such pleasant news!
Also, I would like to thank all Contaxinfo inhabitants who gave me their vote!
Thank you very much for the such pleasant news!
Also, I would like to thank all Contaxinfo inhabitants who gave me their vote!
Congratulations to Andrey, with an accumulative vote that leaves little doubt to the members' choice.
Out of interest, I see that the first and second choice logos (and others) for the front involve the removal of the original "Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar T*" logo, to allow for their size, design and layout.
I wonder how many Contaxinfonians thought that they were restricted to working around the existing logos for their engravings onto existing SL300RT bodies, rather than having the opportunity to have them removed? Just a thought for the definition of any future "Specials" competitions!
Dirk, I hope you are pleased with the support that the members have shown in this venture so far. I am very pleased to have taken part in this, and I am sure the other contributing members are too. According to some .... we must seem mis-guided. If so, I am happy to be in amongst such a fine bunch of mis-guided soles!
I bit of information for any prospective buyers, there are some large images taken with various SL's in their Contax and other guises and pixel sizes (did you see the way I neatly got away with not mentioning K*****a there
) ..... on
For those who are inclined .... there is the possibility of looking at shots from the Contax (or similar versions
) as a makeshift comparison. You may need to use babelfish etc. to find your way around, look for the Web Competition entries ..... some very nice images in amongst this lot here. Look at the range of tones and contrast handled in the winning Temple shot.
Cheers, Kyocera Kid.
Out of interest, I see that the first and second choice logos (and others) for the front involve the removal of the original "Carl Zeiss Vario-Tessar T*" logo, to allow for their size, design and layout.
I wonder how many Contaxinfonians thought that they were restricted to working around the existing logos for their engravings onto existing SL300RT bodies, rather than having the opportunity to have them removed? Just a thought for the definition of any future "Specials" competitions!
Dirk, I hope you are pleased with the support that the members have shown in this venture so far. I am very pleased to have taken part in this, and I am sure the other contributing members are too. According to some .... we must seem mis-guided. If so, I am happy to be in amongst such a fine bunch of mis-guided soles!
I bit of information for any prospective buyers, there are some large images taken with various SL's in their Contax and other guises and pixel sizes (did you see the way I neatly got away with not mentioning K*****a there
For those who are inclined .... there is the possibility of looking at shots from the Contax (or similar versions
Cheers, Kyocera Kid.
jakob_groes
Active Member
Congratulations, Andrey!
These two questions are for Dirk:
1.
Will the votes for the top-3 or top-5 most popular designs be exposed to the forum?
2.
Will Andrey's design be used for the webpage in the future as well?
Thanks!
These two questions are for Dirk:
1.
Will the votes for the top-3 or top-5 most popular designs be exposed to the forum?
2.
Will Andrey's design be used for the webpage in the future as well?
Thanks!
jakob_groes
Active Member
Where exactly, Bob?
It also seems that some contributors like Hank forwarded quite a lot of mails in the competition, and you would have to add them all to get the picture.
This is not meant in any way to embarass anyone who did not win.
It also seems that some contributors like Hank forwarded quite a lot of mails in the competition, and you would have to add them all to get the picture.
This is not meant in any way to embarass anyone who did not win.
jakob_groes
Active Member
For those members that have not yet taken the time to count the votes for logos, here are some rudimentary statistics in a glance.
13 members had submitted their designs for the logo competition, and a total of 148 votes were placed.
Of these, Andrey's design got 66 votes - the equivalent of 44.6 per cent of all the votes.
Hank G. got 54 votes for two different logos. That is 36.5 per cent of all the votes. More specific, Hank's retro design took 24.3 per cent, and his contemporary design 12.2 per cent.
Only 18.9 per cent of votes were left to share between the 11 other contributors, of which no one came even close to the two front runners.
Even though 148 votes were given, the available result does not say how many members actually participated in the referendum.
Each member had a maximum of 15 votes to share between the logos, so at least 10 members must have voted.
Thank you!
13 members had submitted their designs for the logo competition, and a total of 148 votes were placed.
Of these, Andrey's design got 66 votes - the equivalent of 44.6 per cent of all the votes.
Hank G. got 54 votes for two different logos. That is 36.5 per cent of all the votes. More specific, Hank's retro design took 24.3 per cent, and his contemporary design 12.2 per cent.
Only 18.9 per cent of votes were left to share between the 11 other contributors, of which no one came even close to the two front runners.
Even though 148 votes were given, the available result does not say how many members actually participated in the referendum.
Each member had a maximum of 15 votes to share between the logos, so at least 10 members must have voted.
Thank you!