MP1 and P8D for 645

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Can you please tell me how much height the MP1 power drive adds to the camera body? As this accessory screws to the base of the camera, does it accept the Contax Quick Release plate for tripod mounting?
Also, the P8D external supply holds 4 "D" cells; does this clip to one's belt or must it be put into a jacket pocket?
Thanks for your replies and help
Colin
 
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>Colin Elliott,

From my measurements, the Contax Battery Holder/Vertical Grip MP-1 adds 3.2 centimeters (or about 1.26 inch) to the height of the 645. The grip has the same style tripod screw base with two holes for stabilizing pins as the camera base. I use the B43 Quick-Release camera mounting plate from Really Right Stuff since it appears to add less additional height to the camera than the Contax Quick-Release plate (which serves also as a spacer for easier mounting of the Polaroid Back). The B43 plate has two anti-twist pins which fit into the two holes on the base of the camera or the MP-1 Grip. The Contax Quick-Release plate should work just as well, but I don't believe that it has the two anti-twist pins (judging from the pictures of it that I have seen).

I did not buy the Power Pack P-8D. I chose the P-8 model using four AA NiMH rechargeable cells. The P-8 has a metal loop on the back of its case which can be used with the supplied neck cord or can be attached to a belt loop. The P-8 fits very easily into a pocket. [Four "D" cells seemed to me to be too much added weight with all the other gear that I carry.]

Best regards, Don Savoy
 
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Hiya

Can you use L/ion rechargebles in the MP1 hand grip for the 645 and what are users findings with regards to battery life of the standard lithium CR25.
I`ve heard that using the grip extends life of batteries but having had experience with the lithium camera batteries in the past(Canon Eos 1n) i can`t see how the AA`s can improve the amount of film per set over the standard battery.

Thanks in advance

Dave
 
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Has anyone any experience with using the vacuum 220 back please.

Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

I have two magazines, one with the standard holder and another with the vacuum holder. After bad experiences with 120 film I use type 220 whenever I can. In my experience I can't tell you whether there is a visible difference between using type 220 with the standard back or the vacuum back, but there can be a tremendous difference in quality using 120 or 220 !

Regards

Uli
 
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Uli
Thanks for coming back. Would you care to enlarge on the problem you had with 120?

I did wonder just how much the vacuum back would make any difference. When you say you can`t detect any difference in the image when viewed, is that on the light table or scanned or enlarged?

Thanks again

Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

ok, I'll do my very best: The problem I've had with 120 was whenever the film was resting for more than a few days in the film back (I'm no professional photographer, I'm shooting for me and for fun ... ;-)) ). Now when you take two shots in short one after the other its possible (!) that you see a degradation in brilliance and contrast in the center of the upper third of the picture on the _second_ frame. Because this piece of film was wounded up in the opposite direction against the natural curl of the film for the whole time. Therefore the flatness of the film inside the back is really bad. I've seen this on pictures taken with 4/350 and 2.8/45.
Now I'm using 220 and the vacuum back whenever possible. When I say I can't see a difference (with a magnifier on the light table) I have to say I haven't done any deeper examination of the problem standard film back versus vacuum film back with 220. The combination 220 and vacuum back is the best for sure.

Regards

Uli
 
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There is an article from Zeiss of 1979 (!) on this site about this filmflatness problem in 35mm and medium format cameras. It is proven that only afer a couple of minutes already, the film is not in the ideal position anymore and results in sometimes significant differences of image quality. That's why they introduced the vacuum system already with th RTS III.

Look in the Forum in the Topic "Overview..." then click on Zeiss articles. Or click on this link:
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dirk
 
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Dear Dave,

Your battery concerns are the subject of a thread in the "Review 645" forum--you might want to take a look at the last 3 entries or so there regarding battery usage.

As for the 220 vacuum inserts, I have two. I also have two regular inserts that I use with 120 film. Theoretically, 120 film has a stiff paper backing that makes film flatness less of a problem. 220, with no backing, needs "extra" help for flatness. I never use 220 in the regular inserts.

Really, I don't know how much impact (in real-world terms) the vacuum insert makes because I always use them. All I can say is that the images have uniform sharpness falloff from center to edge and no "soft spots" or other irregularities when using the 220. To me, every edge for quality is important so I went with the vacuum inserts. By the way, I mostly shoot transparancies and use a light box with 6x and 10x schneider loupes--by far the best way to evaluate critical sharpness because scanning/projecting/enlarging introduce many additional elements of optical degradation.

I have not experienced any problems with 120 film. I use a variety of Kodak, Fuji and Ilford films in 120 format and, sometimes, the film is left in the camera back for days or even a couple of weeks. I have two backs, one for regular color transparencies and one for specialty films such as B&W or high-speed film. Because I shoot fewer images on the specialty films, they are in the back longer before the roll is finished.

I can only suggest that people check the "regular" insert to make sure the pressure plate is properly oriented to the "120" position. Otherwise, maybe try a new insert.

Good Shooting!

Guy Harrison
 
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Regarding the battery consumption problem, someone suggested an alternative for the camera which is a 2CR5 rechargable from a brand called "Quest" and I have found its web site:

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It seems it offers a very basic solution without adding size, weight, cord etc. to the camera. Has anyone tried this rechargable 2CR5 on the Contax 645 yet ? How many 120 rolls can be shot ? Any advice will be very useful for the potential Contax 645 (as well as the rechargable) buyer like me. Thanks.
 

gavin

Active Member
My 645 keeps going to sleep. I have the MP-1 attached to it. ? Once it goes to sleep the only way to reset it is to physically disconnect the MP-1 from the body and reconnect it. Has any one else run into this and if so, what is the solution.
 

jvirtue

Member
I had a similar problem which became major. this happened a couple of times, then it started displaying EEEE in the shutter speed display when it happened. I had it replaced by Kyocera, the next day, without question. BTW, the newer body isn't as greedy with batteries and is noticeably quieter.
 

colin

Well-Known Member
John, Which body did they replace? The camera or the MP1. And what are serial nos. of "new" bodies?
 

richl

New Member
Like Colin, I was intrigued to read from John Virtue that Contax had replaced the body of the 645, so I rang Kyocera in the UK where I live and they informed that they have not replaced the camera body. What they have done is address the poor battery life so that "later models" (they did not specify a date that the later bodies were made) have a better battery life, and not the four or five rolls of 120 film the camera ate through when it was first launched. So, rather than a new body, what Kyocera has done is tweeked the electronics to improve battery life. At least the company is listening to its users.
 

gavin

Active Member
John, thanks for the input, I'll send it in ASAP, turns out my warrantee is up this month
Just to make this clear though, in your case it was not the grip that was the problem, it was the body. If that is the case how did you determine it was the body and not the grip?
 
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utkinpol

Speaking about battery problem - I just accomplished a little project of my own.
I got 2 Powersonic SLA batteries and a charger (you can look at them here -
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The jack and cords came from Radioshack – you`ll need a B size connector for Contax 645.
Now I can power up my flash and camera from the same or from 2 different SLA batteries without any problem.

Price of entire project was about of $50 including everything.
 
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These are the models that I got:

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It looks like Panasonic has a model of same capacity and with 0.98 pounds weight but I didn`t find no one available.
 
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