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News from Zeiss on Wednesday

fotografz

Well-Known Member
You can access the pages if you click on the links in your e-mail notification. It doesn't seem to work here.

I see what looks like the top of a F-6 poking it's head up on one of the pages. and the word "Hochleistungsobjektive" = High Performance Lens. The lenses must be full 35mm F mount versions of C/Y lenses huh?.

But, man-o-man, if the Zeiss F lenses are AF, Nikon will have a Canon Killer on it's hands. Even if they are Manual but retain all auto-diaphram functions it will be a real consideration.

Anyone know if the F-6 retains focus confirmation when using a manual focus lens on it?
 

jsmisc

Well-Known Member
Thanks Ken,
I tried that and I got it to work.
I suppose it's good news if you are a Nikon (MF only ?) user.
John
 

jsmisc

Well-Known Member
If it is Nikon producing new digital cameras to match with CZ lenses presumably new AF ones, that would be exciting.
John
 

roberto

Well-Known Member
> [When they say F mount they don't say anything as AIS mount. Maybe it's the same issue as with ZM lenses: The patent life is over and anybody can make and use this mount. Don't know if they will be manufactured by Cosina or Nikon. I would go for Cosina -as they already are a Zeiss partner and have the toolings and rights- and just arranging another partner in 6 months does not make sense. But then, why are they picturing a F6 and an old Nikon F series?

Does Nikon have something to say here? It's kind of intellectual property and I guess Nikon will have given his permission.

I think this is kinda stopgap measure. They will see how the lenses sell and, if everything goes ok, maybe we'll see some kind of S3 with Nikon mount...

And don't forget that Cosina, apart fron FX-3, also produced the S2, the Nikon FM10 and the Vivitar, this last one with Pentax K, and that there are some Yashica FX3 Chinese clones out there with the nikon f mount...

Nikon FM3a, hybrid shutter, with Titanium cover, F-mount and the Contax or Zeiss name on it, and Zeiss top cover styling? YUM YUM! I want one, now!

Regards Robert] >
 

dirk

CI-Founder
Hey guys,

I want to manage the expectations here. The new ZF lenses for Nikon mount will be manual focus lenses.

Basically like the old Nikkor AI lenses. So the metering will work the same way like Nikkor AI lenses on specific Nikon bodies, which has limitations for specific Nikon bodies.

The Nikon D70/D70s for ex&le do not really work well with AI lenses. The D2x and D200 are different.

Sorry, but I am not allowed to say anything more specific. We have to wait until Zeiss is disclosing all the details.

Thank you for your understanding
 

albert4321

Well-Known Member
D2x/D200 with Zeiss lens?

This combo would not interest me neither. Manual focus is okay, but I won't spend that kind of money for the 1.5x chip system.
 

leeming

Member
New lenses, Nikon mount, manual... man this is the worst I expected. New lenses to suck some more blood out of Zeiss supporters, and manual configuration means Nikon can keep their own lenses safe from Zeiss competition. I say Zeiss just landed them self a humiliated deal. Nikon wins, Zeiss makes living, and I'm losing my pants off.
 

wang

Well-Known Member
It is just like last year when they introduce Zeiss Ikon. They like to keep us waiting by announcing dates of announcements. This time it becomes 28 December 2005.

I don't mind waiting. I can see why they choose F mount. It was just like last year they chose Leica M mount. The Contax line has to remain silent, well, at least for a couple of years until the contract with Kyocera has finished. They have to look for a mount with long history and has passed its patency. Nikon F is the choice.
 

wang

Well-Known Member
I am just reading about Nikon F history, it could be the first camera with 21mm to 1000mm from day 1, first camera with mirror lock up, first camera with 100% view. It took over the sale from Leica M and Leica never recovered completely.

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Zeiss wishs to play a serious role in classic cameras. She first introduced Zeiss Ikon last year, now she wish to revive the Nikon F.

Looking to the past, I ask myself if there is a camera body from Kyocera Contax as durable and collectable as Nikon F. The answer could be no. S2 is just too small. RTSIII is a very complicated camera, its service now is in serious question.

For autofocus digital systems, I think Zeiss will leave it to Sony to compete with the other giants. Four years ago she made a great 5 million pixel camera, two years ago 8 million, this year it is 10 million. Although Canon has always played a dominant role in this game, she certainly can certainly feel the approaching threat from Sony.

Few years ago, Sony produced a noisy sensor. However, despite the fact that it was noisy, it gave more punch than the Canon counterpart. Canon can produce a crisp clear image, but it feels less contrasty and less dimensional than Sonys. This was the reason why I sold my Canon.

Sony is full of fundamental innovative ideas. The new R1 has the Zoom lens in close distance with the sensor, it could be even closer than my Zeiss M 24mm 2.8 to the film. The LCD monitor can move in all sort of angles. It also lights up automatically when you move your eyes away from the viewfinder, and switch off when the eye move the other direction. The placement of the flash is also innovative. The new R1 becomes more stable to hold when you put up the external flash.

The invention of digital sensors is the central part of Canon development. I consider partial framming as a negative development in the history of photography, althoough it might help the companies to earn a large part of the market.

I do believe Sony will win one day over the sale of digital cameras.
 

dirk

CI-Founder
Hi Ming Lee,

I disagree. If you use for ex&le a Nikon F100 or F6, you can use the AI lenses also with the internal light meter. So this would make a Nikon F100 and F6 an serious alternative for a Contax RX for ex&le.

Regarding the DSLRs, there are differences depending on the body. The D2x and D200 for ex&le work also with AI lenses for Spot and Centerweighted metering. Matrix I am not sure.

We have already the first D200 users in our German Nikon Forum and they are all blown away from that camera, just judging from the first shots they made.

Look here (7MB Jpeg file):
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The guy shot in RAW modus (NEF) and just tranformed it into Jpeg with the Nikon software. a little bit sharpening, no other correction.

Lens was the Nikkor 85/1.8D AF

Exif Data in the image or in this thread in the exif sheet:
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Now imagine this with Zeiss lenses
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I expect that Zeiss will try to use 2006 and especially Photokina in autum 2006 to get back on the "front seats". They can not afford to sit and wait, which is good for the costumers
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So hopefully, we will hear & see even more exciting news in 2006...
 

leeming

Member
Hi Dirk I guess you are right. I'm too focused on my own interest, which is N mount. Come to think of it, it's the Zeiss glass that I admire, and as such I should support whatever move Zeiss deems necessary keeping itself relevant. But I still worry for this company. I guess (means no data to support) manual focus market is too small even for a niche market product? Especially consider the size of Carl Zeiss? As for me I guess I'll stick with and enjoy whatever I have on hands, which is quite enjoyable already.
 

fotografz

Well-Known Member
Anyone know if the Nikon F6 or other AF cameras offer focus confirmation in the viewfinder. If they do, then that is better than Canon which doesn't.
 

stealth

Gold CI-Patron
Marc,

this questio would actually start a new thread, I think. However, I'm not sure if I understand what you have meant with "focus confirmation". All of my Canon cameras do indicate if the autofocus was sucessfull or not. It's a little circle which is blinking when focus cannot be achieved (due to lack of contrast or such) or it is constantly on if the focus has been achieved.

Cheers,
M;los
 

dirk

CI-Founder
@ Marc

I can only tell you, what is written in the prospectus for the following 3 cameras. I have the prospectus only in German.

The Nikon F6 has with AI lenses an "electronic focussing help" (whatever that means). No AF with AI lenses obviously, but no other restrictions.

The Nikon D200 and Nikon D2x have this electronic focussing help too, BUT the AI lens has to have a minimum aperture <5.6

Hope that helps

@ Ming Lee

I am in a similar situation. I have invested all my money in the N-System. Now that I have a Contax ND, it is even more difficult for me to think about switching - even if it would be a new system with new but different Zeiss lenses on it.

Since I have not had the time to really learn all the stuff I need to know to get most out of the ND, I have an "excuse" for myself not to get crazy with all new announcements
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It is for sure, that in 2006 Canon and Nikon will again introduce new great DSLRs like every year. But if I find out (as soon I have time to take more pictures), that my ND gives me all what I need at the moment, there would be no reason for me to rush in another direction - no matter which one...

because one thing is also for sure: DSLRs get better and cheaper every year. The more time I have to wait for the switch, the more value I get for my money.

So as long as you do have already a system which fullfills your needs, you are on the sunny side of this planet
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dirk

CI-Founder
... sorry, please read my earlier posting in the forum. Because of a specific sign after the word aperture, half of my posting did not get through by mail...
 

fotografz

Well-Known Member
Thanks Dirk. I don't think AI lenses have data-bus connectors to feed lens info to the camera ... so, "focus assist" must mean the F6 will provide focus confirmation in the viewfinder when manually focusing AI lenses ... and by extension the new ZF lenses I'd guess. This is a major advantage for those wanting to use new Zeiss glass on a Nikon F body ... especially wider lenses and lenses with shallow DOF.

Canon's focusing system does NOT provide focus confirmation when mechanical lenses are mounted. Of course they will do it when Canon AF lenses are used manually because there are data-bus connections feeding info from the lens to the camera.

An F6 with Zeiss F mount glass is indeed a very good thing for Zeiss lovers. Not for me specifically, since my RX is in good working order, at least for now : -)
 

salim

Active Member
It says to come back next week
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And I bet when you go there next week they push it back again. I am sure of that because of the timing.

No one in their right mind will announce anything just before X-mas or the new year.

They are just going to drag this out in preparation for the PMA, because that's all they have. Just a changed mount to fit the nikon and they are just trying to hype it up. Marketing smoke and mirror.
 

dirk

CI-Founder
@Marc

look in the news section of camera-info.com. We updated the ZF news this morning at 7am German time. IMO same procedure as last year with Zeiss Ikon:

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stealth

Gold CI-Patron
Hi Marc

So THIS is what you meant with focus confirmation, something similar to the system working in the Contax RX! Okay, I get it now!
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Thanks,
M;los
 
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