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RAW NEF Format

rafael

Member
Hi all,

I recently bought a Nikon 8800 camera and I am quite happy with it. Unfortunately I cannot read the NEF files with any application on my computer. I have downloaded the latest raw plug-in for photoshop (v 2.4) and it says "Disk error" when i try to load one nef file. Also acdsee does not display these files. I run XP with SP2 installed (I also downloaded a patch to see the nef files in explorer which works but the quality is really poor). Even the SW coming with the camera (Picture Project) refuses to edit the nef files and shows only a poor preview.
Anybody with an idea?
Thanks
 
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tekwizzard

Rofael
I recently bought a d70 and have been shooting in raw(nef).I have been using picure project and wile the edit functions are very limited I ame able to edit and view the Nef files just fine.
using photoshop cs I have no problems editing ,viewing or saving these files in other formats.
I'm also using XP sp2.


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you might try downloading nikon capture 4
I'm using verion 4.i.0
 
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tekwizzard

Rofael
I recently bought a d70 and have been shooting in raw(nef).I have been using picure project and wile the edit functions are very limited I ame able to edit and view the Nef files just fine.
using photoshop cs I have no problems editing ,viewing or saving these files in other formats.
I'm also using XP sp2.


I would also post for help on steves digi cams for more help.
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you might try downloading nikon capture 4
I'm using verion 4.1.0
 

charlie

Active Member
Hi Rafael,

First, I would suggest you install the Nikon Capture Demo program that came with your D70. The trial period for that is 90 days, but will let you use it fully and decide if you want to invest in the $100 full version which I do suggest.

Secondly, did you download the Raw file plug-in from
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? If the file is corrupt, I suggest you download it again, because the file does work. Just make sure it says Nikon D70 as one of the included. Make sure it is for the correct version of Photoshop you own.

Thirdly, I do have ACDSee version 7, and it too does read the raw files, though personally I wouldnt edit the raw files in that program. My first choice would be Capture, followed by Photoshop, and lastly ACDSee as Capture was made specifically for the Nikon Raw files and is a very powerfull editing program.

Hope it helps,

Paul
 

rafael

Member
[Thank you all for your replys, The problem is that I do not have a D70 but a coolpix 8800. I have read before that with the D70 it will work. My problem is with the coolpix 8800. I have downloaded the adobe plug-in in which 8800 is not listed (there is only 8700). However I am not able to edit the nefs with any other software and the previews are really bad. I think there is a small preview in the nef file itself and I somehow see only this.

Any idea about the coolpix 8800?

Thank you

]
 
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tlane

>The Adobe Camera Raw Plugin (version 2.4) should work with your CoolPix >8800 - it does work with my CoolPix 8400, and I have heard from others >that own the 8800 that it works with the 8800 as well. So, look at issues >around installation, etc., as the problem is not with the plugin itself >(unless you have a corrupted file - you may want to download again...) or >with your camera. In case you installed Nikon Capture, you need to >uninstall that in order for the Adobe Camera Raw Plugin to work, or at >least put a tilde (~) in front of the Nikon Capture Plugin file to disable it.
 

charlie

Active Member
Rafael, check the cd programs you received with the camera. Put disk in drive, go to start meny and choose my computer if you are using windows. left click once on the drive that holds the disk and select it. Now right click and choose explore ( the reason for not double clicking the drive is to bypass the auto load program that will beging installing nikonview program). You should see a directory called Nikon Capture. Now double clickon that and choose the setup program in the directory, and install the 3 month Trial version of Capture).

My Coolpix 5700 came with Nikon Capture, and so did a friends Coolpix 8700. Dont see why it would not be on your disk. Its worth a try.

Paul

P.S. Forgive me if you are advanced enough and I did not need to walk you through how to check the contents of the drive. As there are so many members with different levels of experience, I thought I might as well mention the basics.
 

lnbolch

Well-Known Member
> Posted by Rafael Zalman (Rafael) > > [Thank you all for your replys, The problem is that I do not have a > D70 but a coolpix 8800. I have read before that with the D70 it will > work. My problem is with the coolpix 8800. I have downloaded the adobe > plug-in in which 8800 is not listed (there is only 8700). However I am > not able to edit the nefs with any other software and the previews are > really bad. I think there is a small preview in the nef file itself > and I somehow see only this. > > Any idea about the coolpix 8800?

I just took delivery of the sister camera, the CP8400. They share most of each other's DNA. I too was a bit worried about the lack of mention of these cameras by Adobe. However, I have the most up-to-date RAW loader and it works just as well as with my old camera.

Nikon has always supplied semi-brain dead software with their cameras, NikonView and now PictureProject. Which can be used in a limited way with RAW. So far, I have not been impressed by it, so exclusively use Photoshop CS.

RAW is a 12-bit per channel (Red, Green & Blue) while most software is only capable of handling 8-bits per channel. Photoshop CS has 16-bit per channel workspace where RAW comfortably fits with four bits to spare. With CS, almost all basic operations - color balancing, dynamic range adjustment and even layering can be carried out without every having to drop down to 8-bits per channel. Very nice!

If viewed in a program that is only 8-bit per channel aware, you see an embedded thumbnail 160x120 pixels, which naturally looks lousy if enlarged to screen size.

More software is becoming available with extended bit depth. IfranView will allow viewing of CP5x00 files, but not CP8400 files in the current version. I have heard that ACDSee 7.0 also supports RAW now. However, it is Photoshop CS that has finally made RAW a completely viable format here.

RAW offers little or no visible advantage when shooting under ideal light. I doubt that one would see a difference in a print from RAW and Extra quality, all else being equal. However, with mixed light or light of uncertain spectrum, Photoshop CS allows one to open several copies of the image, balancing each area optimally and using layers and layer masks to assemble a beautifully corrected image. One can also open several instances at a variety of exposure settings to gain considerable shadow detail when shooting under extremely contrasty lighting conditions.

Of course, a bit of skill is involved in doing so.

larry!
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rafael

Member
[I can understand the message of larry. However, my plug-in for Photoshop is able to read s&les of nefs downloaded from the net. The only files that are not working are from my camera
(. In other words, I can see any nef besides the ones that my camera is providing. Thats somehow frustrating and I was hoping more from Nikon.]
 
> [I can understand the message of larry. However, my plug-in for > Photoshop is able to read s&les of nefs downloaded from the net. The > only files that are not working are from my camera
(. In other > words, I can see any nef besides the ones that my camera is providing. > Thats somehow frustrating and I was hoping more from Nikon.]

Rafael,

Have you tried Nikon View to see if you can view your NEF images? If you cannot, then perhaps there is something wrong with the camera.

Nikon View offers a crude editor that will allow you to convert from the native NEF format into tiff or jpg formats.

There is also Nikon Capture. It is the NEF editor created by Nikon specifically for their file format.

Perhaps you can upload a NEF image (taken specifically by *your* camera) to a web server and one of us can see if we can view it with our various software?

Please forgive me if I have repeated any suggestions that might have already been given.

grasshopper
 

rafael

Member
Unfortunately i cannot post a nef here. The maximum size allowed here is 130k and my nef is around 12.5 megs.
With the NikonView I can see my nefs but i cannot edit them or convert them to anything else. Anyhow, my final goal would be to get them in Photoshop and the tiff takes ages to write on my flash card.
Anyhow, thanks for your replys

Rafael
 
> Unfortunately i cannot post a nef here. The maximum size allowed here > is 130k and my nef is around 12.5 megs. > With the NikonView I can see my nefs but i cannot edit them or convert > them to anything else. Anyhow, my final goal would be to get them in > Photoshop and the tiff takes ages to write on my flash card. > Anyhow, thanks for your replys > > Rafael

Rafael,

In order to edit the Nef files via Nikon View 1) click on an image, to select it 2) on the toolbar, click the down arrow next to the Edit icon (looks like a paper with a pencil on top of it) 3) this should give you a dropdown list of editors on your system, one of them being Nikon Editor, click on Nikon Editor 4) make what limited changes the editor offers, if you wish, then click File -> Save As and choose your file type.

Also, you should copy the images from your card to your hard drive *before* attempting to edit them. You shouldn't be in the habit of editing/saving on your flash cards ... to many bad things could happen!

What version of Photoshop are you using in attempting to open the images?

Do you have any personal web server space, like that ususally offered by your internet service provider? If yes, possibly you can upload a s&le NEF image there and simply provide us with a link to that image?

grasshopper
 

rafael

Member
Hi again everybody,

Thanks to all which tried to help me (specially to you, grasshopper) but finally i solved the big mystery: the plugin directory of adobe when you have more adobe products installed is quite tricky. The photoshop plugin is a sepparate one so I was loading the correct plugin in the wrong directory
)
Now it is ok, I can get my nefs in the photoshop, their last raw plugin really works.
However, the Nikon View still cannot edit the nefs, i can load them but it will not display them in the primitive editor they have..
But finally, I do not really care about the Nikon tools, I am really happy that I can finally get my raw shoots in photoshop.
So, be careful what plugins directory you are using when you have more adobe products installed

Thanks all again
 
>I am really happy that I can finally get my raw shoots in photoshop.<

Rafael, I am pleased you got it all sorted out! Have fun with your images! :eek:)

grasshopper
 

mattmaynard

New Member
Hey gang,

I am new to the Nikon Digital world an am not very familiar with the RAW format. What are the advantages of using the NEF format and what can you do with them in Photoshop that would be of concern to me? Thanks in advance to ANY and ALL input.

Matt
 

lnbolch

Well-Known Member
> Posted by Matt Maynard (Mattmaynard)
> What are the advantages of using the NEF format and what
> can you do with them in Photoshop that would be of concern to me?


RAW is simply the digital output of your sensor, unprocessed by the camera, saved directly to your card. It is a format that has 12-bits of information for each channel (Red, Green and Blue) compared to 8-bits for TIFF or JPEG. It allows you to adjust things like exposure and colour balance when importing it into Photoshop. It has the potential to produce the highest quality your camera can give you under difficult circumstances.

To get the most out of it, you really need Photoshop CS, which lets you load it at the full 12-bits per channel into spacious 16-bit per channel workspace and perform all image processing steps without ever having to reduce it to 8-bits per channel. It also takes some skill and experience in image processing to get the most out of it.

It is particularly useful in mixed light situations, since the file can be reopened with each area of the image receiving its own colour balance, with these being combined through layering and layer masks. It can also use a similar method to gain extended dynamic range, as one would do with a set of auto-bracket exposures. I have a tutorial with numerous ex&les at
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What is the cost? Speed and storage. In-camera rocessing is much quicker for Fine JPEG and the resulting file is much smaller. If one is skilled with the camera using proper exposure and white balance, there may be no visible difference between a print from a Fine and a RAW image under normal photographic circumstances. There is also the cost of Photoshop CS.

Is it worthwhile? Absolutely when shooting in mixed light, on the street at night with an uncertain white balance, under extremely contrasty conditions and so on. It works fine under good lighting, but offers no visible advantage.

I use it quite often, because I really like to shoot places others might find difficult or impossible. I also use it when I am lazy - someone wants a shot of a camera or accessory, and I don't feel like setting up under carefully controlled light for a quick and dirty over the 'net. When shooting under less extreme conditions, I shoot Fine JPEG.

It has become a bit of a cult-thing on the net in some forums. While it is a very useful file format, it is not the Messiah. You may get advice to NEVER, EVER shot anything but RAW. Fine, if you don't mind a slow unresponisive camera and a card that fills quickly for no good reason. However, in difficult circumstances - if you have the image processing skills - it is quite useful.

larry!
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> Thanks Larry. Great info as always. Quick question: I have been using PS Elements 2.0 and Jpegs Fine whilst waiting for the version which will support RAW for the D70 - do you know if that's available yet? thanks in advance,

Ali (photographer who gets paid for her work but still has much to learn)!
 

lnbolch

Well-Known Member
Checking the Adobe site, it appears that version 3 of Elements is now available and it does have 16-bit per channel support, and will handle .nef RAW files. I have no idea how extensive the support may be. It appears to be not only worthwhile, but manditory upgrade for Elements users.

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