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Ken, the direct flash will eliminate the yellow light because it is so much brighter than the yellow spot light. The "balance" of the flash and the ambient light is something you have to experiment with until you find a happy compromise. If the flash is bright enough, it will overwhelm the ambient light. When you bounce the flash, you lose at least one stop of light, depending on the surface used for the bounce. The colour of the bouncing surface is also important. I have measured up to two stops loss when bouncing flash off a white surface. Therefore, when bouncing the flash, the ratio of flash to ambient is reduced, and the ambient becomes a bigger part of the lighting, and therefore more visible in the final photograph.

Putting a filter on the lens doesn't solve the problem because the phenomenon is caused by the different colour temperature of the light sources. A blue 80A colour correction filter on the lens will make the spot light become more like a normal "daylight" but the flash will then look far too blue. If you put a yellow/orange gel over the flash such that the flash light becomes a similar "tungsten" colour temperature to the ambient spot lights, then a blue 80A filter on the lens will correct the overall tungsten coloured light for a daylight colour balance.

The basic problem is that the tungsten spot lights give out very little blue light. Our eyes don't notice it, but daylight film records it as it is, as a very orange/brown/yellow light. You can see an ex&le of that light in my photo titled "barbecue restaurant" in this forum's Photo Gallery. Whenever you take photos in that kind of light, flash will not look good, unless the flash is so bright as to sw& the ambient light. But then you would lose the "atmosphere" created by the ambient light. Personally, I try not to use any flash in those tunsgten lit places, and prefer to tweak the colour balance in Photoshop to achieve the most pleasing result.

Digital cameras have a big advantage in these situations. A good digital camera can be set for tungsten colour balance, and used without flash at ISO 800 equivalent sensitivity, and give a "daylight" appearance to the final image. See my image "Japanese Flamenco" in this forum's Photo Gallery as an ex&le.
 
Thank you very much, Craig. Your advice is greatly appreciated. I will definitely take a look at your gallery. Meanwhile, I guess what I will try first is to experiment with different magnitudes of exposure compensation and observe the ambient/flash mixed results.

You mentioned up to 2 stops are lost with bounce flash, do you then suggest that I should add at least 1 stop or even more to compensate for the bouncing effect. Another question which I have is what effects does the flash's zoom function make when bouncing off the ceiling. What I mean is that with TTL the flash would automatically adjust from 24-85mm to correspond to the desired focal length,and with bouncing flash would it be more effective if the focal length is permanently set to 24mm in order to produce the most concentrated light source?
 
You're welcome, Ken. Experimenting is certainly the best way to learn about these things.

If you are using TTL automatic flash metering, then the camera will automatically control the flash output, meaning, you shouldn't need to adjust the compensation. But what I suspect is that the TLA-360 is not powerful enough to give a "full" main light after bouncing. It is probably already working at maximum output, because of the losses after the bounce. Factors such as ceiling height, ceiling colour and reflectivity, and the size of the area to be illuminated, as well as the tone of the subject being metered, will all affect the result. Personally, I always use a hand-held flash meter and manual mode for the camera and flash. I get more reliable results this way.

As for the zoom setting, you have to set the zoom length such that the area being photographed will be covered appropriately by the bounced light. If a 24mm setting is correct for direct flash, then a 35 or 50 mm setting may be more appropriate when you bounce the flash, because the effective distance travelled by the flash is greater when bouncing. It depends on the height of the ceiling. The ceiling will diffuse the flash light, thus helping it to cover a larger area.
 
I have been contemplating using a hand-held flash meter for awhile, but have had no experience with it in the past. A lot of times I feel a bit insecure trusting the built-in meter with tricky situations, with or without the use of flash. Perhaps getting one of those gadgets would help. Craig, do you have any suggestions to which current models are the best? Please note that I am no professional and wouldn't need something bulky and full of features far beyond my need.

Ken
 
The small and low cost Sekonic L-308B is ideal for your requirements. I have been using one for a couple of years and find it to be very reliable. You can pick them up in Hong Kong for HK$800 second hand, or HK$1,300 new.
 
Thanks again, Craig. The Sekonic is also the model I have been considering and comparing to its Minolta counterpart.

With your recommendation, I will probably get one in the next couple of days. I see that you also live in HK, what a coincidence!

Ken
 
Okay Ken. Good luck. Feel free to email me directly to let me know how it goes.

Regards,

Craig
 
Ken, getting a light meter is definitely a good step toward series photography.

The Sekonic 308 is a multi-mode meter which it can measure flash and ambient light. But it lacks a spot meter which I found it very useful. The 508 and 608 offers this feature. They cost much more but this is something you may put it into future consideration.

As much as I like Sekonic meters and they are very popular, I prefer the Gossen Starlite. It is also a multi functions meter which measure flash, ambient (both reflective and incident), have a 1 and 5 degree spot meter mode, and it also takes zones system readings. It is cheaper that the Sekonic 608 and more accurate. I donft want to start a brand war and argument here. Please check the ratings and review in photographyreview.com for both brands.

One thing I want to point out that having a handheld meter does not guarantee anything. You need to know how meter works (say they measure 18% gray), how to take the readings in various situation, what mode to use, understand ratio, where to place the shadow and hi-light (zones) etc. As you progress and learn alone the way, everything will eventually come together.
 
I would recommend you get a proper flash meter - it makes life so much easier . Assuming you will also not want to spend too much on one either , I would recommend the Polaris which I have . Its widely available , much cheaper than most , reliable , and has all the facilities you will likely need........ Steve
 
One thing I want to point out that having a handheld meter does notguaran= tee anything. You need to know how meter works (say they measure18% gray), ho= w to take the readings in various situation, what mode to use, understand ratio, where to place the shadow and hi-light (zones)etc.= As you progress and learn alone the way, everything willeventually come together.

Very true , and to this end I can recommend Bob Shell's excellent book on handheld exposure meters..... Steve
 
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