Seek comments for VarioSonnar f4 80200mm zoom

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Hi all, This zoom is seldomly mentioned by contaxians, why? Need comments for this zoom lens quality. Thanks in advance. John
 
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The 80-200 F4 is a great lens , reputedly sharper than a lot of primes . I use mine all the time , it certainly is very sharp and well worth having - its been discussed ad nauseam in various other forums and certainly alot of other Contaxians own and use it too . Its certainly not the forgotten lens of the Zeiss range by any means...... Steve
 
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Hi John,

if you click on "downloads", you can look at the MTF data of the 80-200 zooms and all other Zeiss lenses. This gives you a first impression. Read also the second topic "overview sheets" in this forum for advice on how to read the charts. If you describe more in detail what you want to do with this lens, we might be able to help you better.

dirk
 
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Hello, can anyone tell me how to go back to the year of production of a Contax lens from the matriculation-number?
thanks
 
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Hi Maurizio,

In contrast to Leica, this is not possible with Zeiss. They produce a certain amount of lenses i.e. the 25mm in one shot and then sell it over the years. So you might find out when it was produced, but you will not get the information when this specific lens actually was sold to the market.

dirk
 
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During my recent order of the VS 80-200, the salesman said that the T* coating cost $75 more and that the lenses made in Malaysia didn't have the coating but the lenses made in Japan did. This dealer advertised the lens for $75 less on the internet. With the cost of the "coating", the cost was identical to NY street price. I didn't know any Zeiss lenses were made in Malaysia. Any comments?
 
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Steer completely clear of that salesman, and walk away immediately from any supposedly Carl Ziess lens which does not have the T* coating. The T* coating is one of the features that makes Carl Zeiss lenses so special. It is ridiculous to suggest that one should buy a CZ lens without the T* coating. The salesman you met is a complete idiot or a con man, or both. Beware of frauds.
 
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John,

I lived in Asia almost 20 years. These people are masters of duplication and we Westerners can be so gullible, comparatively.

Ex&le: In the late 70s I was headed back to the states and wanted to pick up a new model Nikon (can't remember the exact model). I had friends who had a contact in Kowloon, HK who would, if you told him who you were and mentioned who you represented, would sell you the desired product for the "real" price, no bargaining needed.

The morning I got there, I headed up the street, looking in all the shops to compare prices, so as to be ready when I arrived at my destination. I introduced myself, said the message I was instructed to give, and mentioned the Nikon model I wanted to purchase. Whereupon, the store owner (a seasoned old Hong Kong Chinese merchant) informed me that they were all out of stock, in fact everyone was out.

I mentioned that I had seen a few in store fronts on the way here, to which he replied, "they're all the fake ones, you want one of them, go buy it." I purchased a different camera and left.

Another ex&le: I have a Chinese businessman friend who is a watch dealer in Thailand. He does all my work for free because I once wrote him a nice letter of reference so that he could get a tourist visa to the states. He showed me his line of Seiko watches saying: "This one is real and from Japan, this one is made in Hong Kong, this one in ... etc., etc."

I have also seen knock off Rolexes so perfect that there are absolutely no blemishes or rough spots, even if viewed under a 30 power loupe. They have various grades, A, B, C, etc., all fakes.

So, go figure, but don't buy that lens if you know what is good for you.

Best Regards,

Ron Myers
San Diego
 
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Hi Ron,

I am sorry to hear your bad experience in HK. I was born in HK. I understood your story. As what you said that it was late 70s.

My recommendation to people not to go to buy thing to a small shop. You should go to a bigger or famous shop. It is easily to distinct a good shop that she is always crowded with local people. There is always price difference between tourist point.

To be a buy, we also need to have certain knowledge about the product. T* is one of the key point we could not miss. So far, I have never seen any Lens made in Malaysia.


Francis.
 
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"During my recent order of the VS 80-200, the salesman said that the T* coating cost $75 more and that the lenses made in Malaysia didn't have the coating but the lenses made in Japan did. This dealer advertised the lens for $75 less on the internet. With the cost of the "coating", the cost was identical to NY street price. I didn't know any Zeiss lenses were made in Malaysia. Any comments?"

Please tell us all who the dealer is so we can avoid the fool! That's like one of those low-ball deals where the box costs extra. Jack Casner
 
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Hi Francis,

Thank you for your kind words. However, after re-reading John's story, it isn't clear where he was when he was looking into buying the Vario-Sonnar f/4 80-200mm zoom lens. It wasn't clear whether he was actually in Malaysia, or whether the Internet seller was a dealer in Malaysia, or whether the lens was said to have been made there.

Actually, I did not have a bad experience in Hong Kong, but it was a good experience in that I learned a few things. And I fully understand the difference between buying at local versus tourist prices, which I avoid like the plague when at all possible. One is at an advantage when one speaks the local language and culture, and at a disadvantage otherwise.

The shop I went to (which I mentioned) was not small, per se, and was full of locals. I ended up selling the Pentax SLR and lenses I bought there back in Thailand for a tidy profit, and the buyer was happy with the price, so it worked out okay.

I love Asia and the Asian people and hold them in high regard (having a Master's Degree in Asian Studies), having spent a good many years serving them in my field of work. The moral of the story is: one has to adapt and learn how to live and operate properly there, just like anywhere else, especially when buying high-dollar items like the afore-mentioned Vario-Sonnar zoom.

Wherever and whatever the case may be, the key is always to shop around and gather prices and various tidbits of information, pros and cons. For instance, the story the salesman gave about the T* lens coating and the Malaysian-made "Zeiss" -- that, in it self was a tip-off to shop and buy elsewhere.

Of course John did the best thing possible, he asked people on the ContaxInfo list. And, I hope that he did not buy the item.

Ron Myers
San Diego
 
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Thanks for the input on the VS 80-200 T* coating pricing issue. To further explain: I was talking to a dealer in the New York City area by phone responding to his internet site. The internet price was $75 cheaper than at the big New York shops and the ad did not use "T*" in the description. However, the photograph on the web page clearly shows the lettering "T*" on the lens mount. I thought this might just be a trick to get me to answer their advertisement due to the lower price. The salesman mentioned the additional price for T* coating AFTER I had placed the order. The price "with the coating" was the same as at the large New York stores. I don't believe any Contrax CZ this lens is currently being produced without the coating and as I believe this lens is only (currently) produced in Japan. I went ahead and ordered the lens with the "coating", but am thinking about putting a stop payment on the credit card.
 
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Hi John,

I hope we (me in particular) didn't throw you off track.

I have been to a few of those shops in NYC. As far as my experience and observations, Kowloon, Hong Kong, doesn't have anything on them as far as their tendency of being Schlick-Meisters. (Smooth masters of their art.)

Buyer Beware!

Ron Myers
San Diego
 
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"During my recent order of the VS 80-200, the salesman said that the T* coating cost $75 more and that the lenses made in Malaysia didn't have the coating but the lenses made in Japan did. This dealer advertised the lens for $75 less on the internet. With the cost of the "coating", the cost was identical to NY street price. I didn't know any Zeiss lenses were made in Malaysia. Any comments?"

Dear John,

let me assure you that there simply does not exist any Zeiss lens made in Malaysia. Furthermore EVERY 80-200 Zeiss zoom with C/Y mount has the T* coating. The dealer simply tried to cheat you.

I made exactly the same experience with 2 US mailorder houses years ago while looking for a Nikon F3HP. They advertised in the print media (shutterbug etc.) with lower prices then others (usually 75-150USD lower). If you called them to order, they always held you for 5 minutes at least on the line (international calls) and then saying they ran out of stock but could offer you a Malaysian or Taiwan F3HP for this price, but it would take at least 4 weeks to delivber with no guarantee. Only the Japanese ones would be in stock for 200 USD more then advertised.

These are just cheap ways to attract potential costumers and later on ribbing them off. Do not even think about buying ANYTHING from this dealer. Just avoid him.

dirk
 
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