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Using flash with 28F
- Thread starter merrill
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francprieto
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>Yes, it's very easy and confortable. I have used a portable Metz for my st= reet portraits and studio strobe lights. What do you need?
francprieto
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> No. Obviously is not the case. You need to adjust your set camera-flash t= o work. Do you need the flas light as primary source or perhaps as fill light= ?
francprieto
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> Ok. Once your exposure is determined deceive your flash apparel setting t= wo steps less than indicated. For ex&le, if you have an index exposure of f:= 11, 1/125 @ ISO 400, set on your flash f:11, 1/125 @ ISO 800. You will have a = fill flash light TWO zones down. You can experiment with 1 zone, 2 or 3.
One technical aspect - the old Rolleiflex 2.8 F (the TLR) has a shutter which can be set for instant flash release "X" or for prelease "M".
Today, flash bulbs are out of use, mostly.
Please be sure to adjust the lever correctly or the electronic flash will fire before the shutter opens.
Please be aware, that the Alfred Gauthier shutter manufacturing company does only work for Hasselblad today.
Despite the fact, that I'm living only some miles away, I'm not sure, whether they do any service for legacy products.
With the knowledge of the Zeiss company politics, (Zeiss owns the Alfred Gauthier "Compur" company), I wonder if they keep spare parts on stock.
The Rollei shutter of the historical 2.8 F is quite old, so be careful!
Be especially aware of contact burn caused by high voltage/high current release of not-so-modern electronic flash lights (Metz CT line, for instance!!!) - use a modern, low voltage specimen instead - Your Rollei will say "Thank You"!
For Metz, use the current CL line, e.g.
Just a sort of joke - the modern Rollei 2.8 F (witch has no X-M lever) uses a Copal shutter, which has the direction of the speed drum reversed in comparision to the Compur shutter, therefore the Rollei people had to redesign the shutter actuating mechanism significantly.
It has TTL capability, so flash use is a charm. Fill-in is not so easy, You have to use an external meter.
The clip on TTL flash meter isn't made by Rollei any more, so You have to look on the used market for one, if You want to use a studio flash.
The SCA flash atatchement module for the modern 2.8F is made by Metz, but sold by Rollei.
Today, flash bulbs are out of use, mostly.
Please be sure to adjust the lever correctly or the electronic flash will fire before the shutter opens.
Please be aware, that the Alfred Gauthier shutter manufacturing company does only work for Hasselblad today.
Despite the fact, that I'm living only some miles away, I'm not sure, whether they do any service for legacy products.
With the knowledge of the Zeiss company politics, (Zeiss owns the Alfred Gauthier "Compur" company), I wonder if they keep spare parts on stock.
The Rollei shutter of the historical 2.8 F is quite old, so be careful!
Be especially aware of contact burn caused by high voltage/high current release of not-so-modern electronic flash lights (Metz CT line, for instance!!!) - use a modern, low voltage specimen instead - Your Rollei will say "Thank You"!
For Metz, use the current CL line, e.g.
Just a sort of joke - the modern Rollei 2.8 F (witch has no X-M lever) uses a Copal shutter, which has the direction of the speed drum reversed in comparision to the Compur shutter, therefore the Rollei people had to redesign the shutter actuating mechanism significantly.
It has TTL capability, so flash use is a charm. Fill-in is not so easy, You have to use an external meter.
The clip on TTL flash meter isn't made by Rollei any more, so You have to look on the used market for one, if You want to use a studio flash.
The SCA flash atatchement module for the modern 2.8F is made by Metz, but sold by Rollei.
The more or less complete list:
Metz classical flash guns (the only popular one to build SCA now, as far as I know)
45CT high voltage 45CL1 low voltage 45CT2 ??? never existed, I think 45CL3 low voltage SCA 300 45CL4 low voltage SCA 300 additional fill in flash 45CT5 high voltage SCA 500
60CT1 high voltage 60CT2 high voltage SCA 500 60CL2 high voltage SCA 300 additional fill in flash
I just wanted to give a rule of thumb...
The more recent models are all low voltage. I experienced massive contact burn with a Rolleiflex 2000F, using a 45CT1.
Metz classical flash guns (the only popular one to build SCA now, as far as I know)
45CT high voltage 45CL1 low voltage 45CT2 ??? never existed, I think 45CL3 low voltage SCA 300 45CL4 low voltage SCA 300 additional fill in flash 45CT5 high voltage SCA 500
60CT1 high voltage 60CT2 high voltage SCA 500 60CL2 high voltage SCA 300 additional fill in flash
I just wanted to give a rule of thumb...
The more recent models are all low voltage. I experienced massive contact burn with a Rolleiflex 2000F, using a 45CT1.
Thank you all for your responses on this. Just to make sure I understand correctly. I can use any Metz low voltage flash gun, such as the CL range, but I also need a SCA adapter to use with the particular camera. Is the adapter for the full Rollei range SCA 356 or is that specific to the TLRs?
Merrill, The 356 fits most Rolleis. With the AF models offering more sophistication, a different adaptor is required.
Go onto for a showing of all adaptors and flashguns. You can also "archive" and get info. on old flash compatibility with new cameras
Colin
Go onto for a showing of all adaptors and flashguns. You can also "archive" and get info. on old flash compatibility with new cameras
Colin
Cep, The Rollei 2000F is a camera produced in 1980 and I think preceeds the introduction of the Metz 45CT4. My 45CT4 SCA instruction book covers the 2000F and shows compatibility.
The 45CT4 is most definitely LOW voltage flash. Due to an earlier posting (not sure if on this site), I contacted Metz just last week to discuss the compatibility of my 45CT4 and 32CT3 and stated that I was using them with my Contax 645 in conjunction with the SCA 382.I stated that my understanding was that the flashes were high voltage models.
Metz technician's response (in writing) is that both the 45CT4 and the 32CT3 are LOW voltage guns and completely "safe" on my equipment. Can't vouch for the 45CT1, although neither the 45CT1 or45CL1 integrate with the SCA adaptors.
In essence, one should be comfortable in using "old" SCA flashguns with "new" cameras;particularly if compatibility is shown in the Metz charts.
Colin
The 45CT4 is most definitely LOW voltage flash. Due to an earlier posting (not sure if on this site), I contacted Metz just last week to discuss the compatibility of my 45CT4 and 32CT3 and stated that I was using them with my Contax 645 in conjunction with the SCA 382.I stated that my understanding was that the flashes were high voltage models.
Metz technician's response (in writing) is that both the 45CT4 and the 32CT3 are LOW voltage guns and completely "safe" on my equipment. Can't vouch for the 45CT1, although neither the 45CT1 or45CL1 integrate with the SCA adaptors.
In essence, one should be comfortable in using "old" SCA flashguns with "new" cameras;particularly if compatibility is shown in the Metz charts.
Colin
Hi all,
The gentleman that brought up SCA356 in this thread must be referring to the newer 2.8FX and the slightly older 2.8GX TLR models. He refers to these as the 'Modern 2.8F'. With these, you can use the SCA356 adapter on the camera hotshoe.
The Rolleiflex 2.8f from yesteryear has NO SCA Capability. This translates to the fact that with the 2.8f and 2.8e older TLR cameras from 30 to 40+ years ago, there is no TTL flash let alone a hotshoe. I still use manual or automatic flash with these and you will have to bracket your exposures for proper fill dependent on ambient conditions. Do heed the low voltage advice.
The gentleman that brought up SCA356 in this thread must be referring to the newer 2.8FX and the slightly older 2.8GX TLR models. He refers to these as the 'Modern 2.8F'. With these, you can use the SCA356 adapter on the camera hotshoe.
The Rolleiflex 2.8f from yesteryear has NO SCA Capability. This translates to the fact that with the 2.8f and 2.8e older TLR cameras from 30 to 40+ years ago, there is no TTL flash let alone a hotshoe. I still use manual or automatic flash with these and you will have to bracket your exposures for proper fill dependent on ambient conditions. Do heed the low voltage advice.
Just to give a rule of thumb:
SCA300 or SCA3000 compability = low voltage is guaranteed SCA500 = high voltage is guaranteed CT in name = high voltage probable CL in name = low voltage is guaranteed
I think the referred "45CT4" reads "45CL4"... ^ ^ (as T stands for thyristor, which cannot be driven by a low voltage)
SCA300 or SCA3000 compability = low voltage is guaranteed SCA500 = high voltage is guaranteed CT in name = high voltage probable CL in name = low voltage is guaranteed
I think the referred "45CT4" reads "45CL4"... ^ ^ (as T stands for thyristor, which cannot be driven by a low voltage)