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peterblaise
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Wish list for a new KONICA Minolta DSLR?
- INTERCHANGEABLE BACKS: interchangeable backs for film and different imaging chips as the years wear on
- LENS ADAPTERS: a deeper throat for the lens mount area allowing different wide and deep adapters so we can use any Minolta lens without a teleconverter effect - fitting Minolta SR and A lenses alike with each adapter! Hey, even non-Minolta lenses could them be fitted - can you say, "Leica and Nikon and Canon and Pentax and Olympus and Sigma killer"? Why buy ONE of their cameras when a Konica Minolta DSLR can use any of ALL of their lenses? ;-)
- RANGE OF MODEL PRICES: a range of camera bodies and chip sizes and prices
- KONICA MINOLTA'S OWN CHIP: a Konica Minolta chip, not a Sony or other maker's chip!
(Time to change the group name to konicaminoltainfo.com ?!?)
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Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise Monahon
(Konica) Minolta Vivitar Tamron Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer
peterblaise@yahoo.com
- INTERCHANGEABLE BACKS: interchangeable backs for film and different imaging chips as the years wear on
- LENS ADAPTERS: a deeper throat for the lens mount area allowing different wide and deep adapters so we can use any Minolta lens without a teleconverter effect - fitting Minolta SR and A lenses alike with each adapter! Hey, even non-Minolta lenses could them be fitted - can you say, "Leica and Nikon and Canon and Pentax and Olympus and Sigma killer"? Why buy ONE of their cameras when a Konica Minolta DSLR can use any of ALL of their lenses? ;-)
- RANGE OF MODEL PRICES: a range of camera bodies and chip sizes and prices
- KONICA MINOLTA'S OWN CHIP: a Konica Minolta chip, not a Sony or other maker's chip!
(Time to change the group name to konicaminoltainfo.com ?!?)
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Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise Monahon
(Konica) Minolta Vivitar Tamron Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer
peterblaise@yahoo.com
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Uksnapper
Peter Blaise Monahon desired an interchangeable back on the new Minolta Dslr but that would,it seems to me,be only a short term requirement for most users. Leica are developing,( pun intended ! ) a back that can be fitted to their SLR camera by the user but I suspect that whilst it may have buyers it will be too little too late I enquired with Rollie about the likelihood of a digital back being produced for their superb 3003 camera,the worlds only 35mm camera that has been designed to be used by people with faces. Their answer was that the electronics linking lenses to CCD chip were too complex and adapting the lens and the body impractical.Another issue was cooling as cool chips give clean signals, hot one don't. Their aim is to support the pro market with backs for medium format only.
What I would like to see is a camera styled along the lines the Dimage7 series but Physically bigger,something that would be easier to hold as I find the 7 too small. If current lenses are adequate then fine but I suspect they are not and to get the best new lenses will be designed with hopefully shift and tilt wide angles for serious architectural work. Michael
What I would like to see is a camera styled along the lines the Dimage7 series but Physically bigger,something that would be easier to hold as I find the 7 too small. If current lenses are adequate then fine but I suspect they are not and to get the best new lenses will be designed with hopefully shift and tilt wide angles for serious architectural work. Michael
> If MINOLTA is indeed doing a digital SLR .. I think that
> (1) the 4/3 chip standard looks very attractive with real-estate to grow -- rather than some proprietary Minolta format. Also, while on the subject of imagers chips .. > why not the Foveon x3 chip? (Lets not have another digital SLR grated onto a 35mm film design.)
> (2) with the availability and promise high capacity storage I can see the convergance of video and still image capture in one device. So why not add 30fps full-frame > video with sound. Keep this video capbility to just capture of video with sound without the typical gimmicks on current video cams.
(3) the SLR design concept suggest interchangeable lenses .. unless a single unit can be developed with about 20X. In the alternative 2 or 3 lenses may provide more flexibility .. better optics and more compact packages.
>
> (1) the 4/3 chip standard looks very attractive with real-estate to grow -- rather than some proprietary Minolta format. Also, while on the subject of imagers chips .. > why not the Foveon x3 chip? (Lets not have another digital SLR grated onto a 35mm film design.)
> (2) with the availability and promise high capacity storage I can see the convergance of video and still image capture in one device. So why not add 30fps full-frame > video with sound. Keep this video capbility to just capture of video with sound without the typical gimmicks on current video cams.
(3) the SLR design concept suggest interchangeable lenses .. unless a single unit can be developed with about 20X. In the alternative 2 or 3 lenses may provide more flexibility .. better optics and more compact packages.
>
> What you say about a film&digital grip for maxxum/dynax 5,7,9 with 35mm chip. The grip installable by you or any service provider, price around 500-1000$ depends by chip resolution. .... sounds SF..........
A new DSLR Minolta body with 35mm chip, >6 Mp, 1/4-8000, 5-10 fps, min. 20 frames continous on a single push, wather&dust proof and able to work with maxxum/dynax SLR acessories with price around 1000$.
best reagrds, alex.
A new DSLR Minolta body with 35mm chip, >6 Mp, 1/4-8000, 5-10 fps, min. 20 frames continous on a single push, wather&dust proof and able to work with maxxum/dynax SLR acessories with price around 1000$.
best reagrds, alex.
peterblaise
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Tilt and shift lenses for a digital camera?
There's already a bag for the Nikon and Canon, so when the Minolta comes out, they can adapt it. It can be used for 35mm, the image circle is smaller due to tilt and shift, so it's really designed for the smaller sensor - neat side benefits of APS size film that EVERYONE HATED and now wants back!!!.
Otherwise, with a digital camera taking an architectural shot, why not just "distort" the image in Photoshop and use "cheap" off the shelf lenses? Canon's and Nikon's and Pentax's and Minolta's tilt and shift lenses have virtually NO automation on board, so you might as well use a bag anyway and off-the-shelf lenses (I think enlarger or medium format lenses fit the bag).
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Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
Minolta Photographer - I'll explain what that means later, for those who don't get it! ;-)
for a reason!
There's already a bag for the Nikon and Canon, so when the Minolta comes out, they can adapt it. It can be used for 35mm, the image circle is smaller due to tilt and shift, so it's really designed for the smaller sensor - neat side benefits of APS size film that EVERYONE HATED and now wants back!!!.
Otherwise, with a digital camera taking an architectural shot, why not just "distort" the image in Photoshop and use "cheap" off the shelf lenses? Canon's and Nikon's and Pentax's and Minolta's tilt and shift lenses have virtually NO automation on board, so you might as well use a bag anyway and off-the-shelf lenses (I think enlarger or medium format lenses fit the bag).
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Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise
Minolta Photographer - I'll explain what that means later, for those who don't get it! ;-)
for a reason!
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Uksnapper
Peter, please explain "bag" I suspect its someting not seen here in the UK
Yes Photoshop can be used to correct verticals but if the shot is tight to start with, when the image is corrected there will have to be a lot of the edges lost to retain the normal rectangle. Traditionaly I would use a 75mm lens on 5x4" or even a 47mm on 6 x 9 cm for such shots which does give a reasonable amount of perspective correction without loss of image area. Michael
Yes Photoshop can be used to correct verticals but if the shot is tight to start with, when the image is corrected there will have to be a lot of the edges lost to retain the normal rectangle. Traditionaly I would use a 75mm lens on 5x4" or even a 47mm on 6 x 9 cm for such shots which does give a reasonable amount of perspective correction without loss of image area. Michael
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ddai
Hi to all! I'm excited after a while back to the forum to find that the dSLR is around. (hope it's not just another rumor!)
Minolta never lacks features, therefore it's best in price performance. My worry is about the technical maturity for this newbie since this is only the pilot model for minolta vs. the third or fourth generation for the competitors. We expect too much OEM in the forthcoming dSLR.
So I strongly prefer a interchangable digital back to leave it an open system for investment protection. When a second generation and more stable back is introduced, we can easily upgrade the system instead of reselling (for only a few pennies) to refund the new ones. That's the key FEATURE for me (and, I think, many others) to re-invest into Minolta.
Regards, David
Minolta never lacks features, therefore it's best in price performance. My worry is about the technical maturity for this newbie since this is only the pilot model for minolta vs. the third or fourth generation for the competitors. We expect too much OEM in the forthcoming dSLR.
So I strongly prefer a interchangable digital back to leave it an open system for investment protection. When a second generation and more stable back is introduced, we can easily upgrade the system instead of reselling (for only a few pennies) to refund the new ones. That's the key FEATURE for me (and, I think, many others) to re-invest into Minolta.
Regards, David
peterblaise
Well-Known Member
4 Minolta DSLRs so far:
1 & 2 = Video backs (shocking!) for the Minolta AF 7000 and 9000
3 = Minolta RD175 (also released by Agfa)
4 = Minolta RD3000 (reviewed as having highest color accuracy of it's time - Minolta is NOT naive here!)
... I expect Konica Minolta will NOT make a back for current cameras since they want to sell to MORE than current owners - they want to bring in NEW customers as well. Also, with a fully integrated DSLR, the manufacturer has complete control over total performance, whereas a back could be misaligned by the end user and compromise Konica Minolta's reputation without Konica Minolta being able to do anything about it - hey, the back works at the lab!
1 & 2 = Video backs (shocking!) for the Minolta AF 7000 and 9000
3 = Minolta RD175 (also released by Agfa)
4 = Minolta RD3000 (reviewed as having highest color accuracy of it's time - Minolta is NOT naive here!)
... I expect Konica Minolta will NOT make a back for current cameras since they want to sell to MORE than current owners - they want to bring in NEW customers as well. Also, with a fully integrated DSLR, the manufacturer has complete control over total performance, whereas a back could be misaligned by the end user and compromise Konica Minolta's reputation without Konica Minolta being able to do anything about it - hey, the back works at the lab!
peterblaise
Well-Known Member
michael wilkinson (Uksnapper) wrote: "... Peter, please explain "bag" I suspect its someting not seen here in the UK ..."
Hi Michael,
At read the following:
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Cambo Ultima 35: Digital Perspective Control
If you wanted perspective control shooting for architectural, still life, or landscape work with digital in the past the best hope was using a digital back on a 4x5 or similar setup that allowed you swing and tilt control. Now, with the Cambo Ultima 35 and a group of growing digital SLRs, the choice can be expanded to use a digital SLR as both a field camera and in the studio with all the capability that one could desire. As of this writing the setup can be used with the Canon EOS-1Ds or the Kodak DCS Pro 14n, but we’re assured adapters will be coming for more, including non-“full frame†digital SLRs such as the Canon EOS 10D, and the Nikon D100 and D1X, etc.
Here’s how it works: The SLR body acts as the capture device, without lens. The Ultima 35 functions as the optical system, with all the swings, tilts, lateral and vertical shifts, and critical focusing that can be applied to perspective control and depth of field. The lens itself sits on the front of the setup. Cambo recommends the Schneider Digitar series of lenses, those delivering the resolution that matches the more precise needs of digital sensors. In addition, Hasselblad lenses will work when mounted on a special adapter plate and any regular large format lens longer than 90mm in focal length will also do the job.
No shutter is necessary on the lenses as all metering and exposure functions are controlled from the D-SLR. And although there is a bellows between the camera mount and lens plate there’s no need to figure out bellows extension exposure compensation as the metering is done right at the sensor.
Accessories currently slated for delivery include a compendium shade, flat and recessed lensboards, a Hasselblad adapter and a vertical adapter for both the Canon EOS-1Ds and the Kodak DCS Pro 14n. As mentioned, mounts for the non-full frame Nikon D1X and D100 and the Fuji S2 Pro are also being designed. In addition, the Ultima 35 is also compatible with Cambo’s general accessory system and can be upgraded or retrofitted to other applications. Price is ~US$3999, but bundled kits that include the Kodak DCS Pro 14n (~US$8298).
See them at
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Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise Monahon
Minolta Vivitar Tamron Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer
peterblaise@yahoo.com
Hi Michael,
At read the following:
[Image]
Cambo Ultima 35: Digital Perspective Control
If you wanted perspective control shooting for architectural, still life, or landscape work with digital in the past the best hope was using a digital back on a 4x5 or similar setup that allowed you swing and tilt control. Now, with the Cambo Ultima 35 and a group of growing digital SLRs, the choice can be expanded to use a digital SLR as both a field camera and in the studio with all the capability that one could desire. As of this writing the setup can be used with the Canon EOS-1Ds or the Kodak DCS Pro 14n, but we’re assured adapters will be coming for more, including non-“full frame†digital SLRs such as the Canon EOS 10D, and the Nikon D100 and D1X, etc.
Here’s how it works: The SLR body acts as the capture device, without lens. The Ultima 35 functions as the optical system, with all the swings, tilts, lateral and vertical shifts, and critical focusing that can be applied to perspective control and depth of field. The lens itself sits on the front of the setup. Cambo recommends the Schneider Digitar series of lenses, those delivering the resolution that matches the more precise needs of digital sensors. In addition, Hasselblad lenses will work when mounted on a special adapter plate and any regular large format lens longer than 90mm in focal length will also do the job.
No shutter is necessary on the lenses as all metering and exposure functions are controlled from the D-SLR. And although there is a bellows between the camera mount and lens plate there’s no need to figure out bellows extension exposure compensation as the metering is done right at the sensor.
Accessories currently slated for delivery include a compendium shade, flat and recessed lensboards, a Hasselblad adapter and a vertical adapter for both the Canon EOS-1Ds and the Kodak DCS Pro 14n. As mentioned, mounts for the non-full frame Nikon D1X and D100 and the Fuji S2 Pro are also being designed. In addition, the Ultima 35 is also compatible with Cambo’s general accessory system and can be upgraded or retrofitted to other applications. Price is ~US$3999, but bundled kits that include the Kodak DCS Pro 14n (~US$8298).
See them at
[Image]
[Image]
Click!
Love and hugs,
Peter Blaise Monahon
Minolta Vivitar Tamron Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer
peterblaise@yahoo.com
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Uksnapper
Peter,I now undestand "bag",Over here in the UK wide angle "Bag Bellows" is more commonly used .I had looked at the Cambo System as I already use their 5x4" Master monorail for both film and sometimes my scan back and concluded that for me it was not the right solution. The main drawback is the limited amount of movements that can be utilised due to the camera body throat causing cut off. Ive no doubt it will be usefull to some people though. Thanks Michael
peterblaise
Well-Known Member
"bag bellows"
With such a small chip in most DSLRs, the "slight" movement of this product is more than enough.
Do not compare or confuse the large movement NEEDED by large film to the small movement needed by a small sensor!
The image sensor in digital SLRS is way smaller than the lens mount "throat"!
Remember APS? It's back ... digitally! ;-)
With such a small chip in most DSLRs, the "slight" movement of this product is more than enough.
Do not compare or confuse the large movement NEEDED by large film to the small movement needed by a small sensor!
The image sensor in digital SLRS is way smaller than the lens mount "throat"!
Remember APS? It's back ... digitally! ;-)
>Hi! What is a good news about Minolta DSLR...I just like Minolta regardless every thing. Now I would like to see Minolta DSLR just like Maxxum 7 Dynax. So I can feel its weight and treditional camera feel in hand while I am shooting around. Please wish well for new minolta DSLR and we can enjoy it in coming years. Regards Rana
> LEGACY or NOT!
It seems that there are two schools of thought to consider if by DSLR we mean a 35mm nominal model: (a) to carry over all 35mm optics into new DSLR that Minolta is considering .. this points to an imager of 24x36mm to use the lenses at 1:1 focal length multipliers -- but not necessarily a better product solution. (b) to have a fresh start with an optimum size imager (with room to grow pixel count .. say, from 5MP initial offering to 10-16MP maximum later on). This imager may well be the KODAK 4/3 format (either a 2D format -- Bayer pattern, OR a 3D format -- Foveon) .. and this will shrink (somewhat) the total size and weight of the DSLR and its new generation of optics designed for digital (this last point is not trivial since digital chips perform better as the light striking the pixels are more nearly perpendicular to the chip surface)..
Minolta should include their anti-shake technology .. and perhaps make the body (chip group) upgradeable as significant chip improvements arrive.
A camera like this with a range of lenses may well be positioned in the 'pro-sumer' / professional segment .. perhaps $1000-1200 for the body with base lens .. plus optional lenses. Such a product would keep the 35mm flavor for those of us who have used that format (I since the mid-50's (Konica, Zeiss Contarex, etc.)). Those who seek large format features and performance might want to seek their solutions elsewhere.
It seems that there are two schools of thought to consider if by DSLR we mean a 35mm nominal model: (a) to carry over all 35mm optics into new DSLR that Minolta is considering .. this points to an imager of 24x36mm to use the lenses at 1:1 focal length multipliers -- but not necessarily a better product solution. (b) to have a fresh start with an optimum size imager (with room to grow pixel count .. say, from 5MP initial offering to 10-16MP maximum later on). This imager may well be the KODAK 4/3 format (either a 2D format -- Bayer pattern, OR a 3D format -- Foveon) .. and this will shrink (somewhat) the total size and weight of the DSLR and its new generation of optics designed for digital (this last point is not trivial since digital chips perform better as the light striking the pixels are more nearly perpendicular to the chip surface)..
Minolta should include their anti-shake technology .. and perhaps make the body (chip group) upgradeable as significant chip improvements arrive.
A camera like this with a range of lenses may well be positioned in the 'pro-sumer' / professional segment .. perhaps $1000-1200 for the body with base lens .. plus optional lenses. Such a product would keep the 35mm flavor for those of us who have used that format (I since the mid-50's (Konica, Zeiss Contarex, etc.)). Those who seek large format features and performance might want to seek their solutions elsewhere.
peterblaise
Well-Known Member
We probably won't get an upgradable chip since all the electronics have to match the chip, and all the controls have to match the electronics and the mechanics.
Leica is to have ONE model, not a series for entry level and pro level (yeah, "entry level Leica" - shoot me!). ONE.
Minolta will probably have a series chronologically before they have more then one available at the same time.
I can imagine a
Konica Minolta Dimage 5 DSLR,
Konica Minolta Dimage 7 DSLR, and a
Konica Minolta Dimage 9 DSLR
in the lineup, but at
~US$900,
~US$1,800, and
~US$3,600 ...
and whh specifications will YOU pay DOUBLE for to move up the line, eh?
Peter Blaise, Minolta Photographer - search the internet for me! ;-)
(263 pages via Yahoo!, 355 via Google, 12 via MSN, 18 via AOL ...)
Leica is to have ONE model, not a series for entry level and pro level (yeah, "entry level Leica" - shoot me!). ONE.
Minolta will probably have a series chronologically before they have more then one available at the same time.
I can imagine a
Konica Minolta Dimage 5 DSLR,
Konica Minolta Dimage 7 DSLR, and a
Konica Minolta Dimage 9 DSLR
in the lineup, but at
~US$900,
~US$1,800, and
~US$3,600 ...
and whh specifications will YOU pay DOUBLE for to move up the line, eh?
Peter Blaise, Minolta Photographer - search the internet for me! ;-)
(263 pages via Yahoo!, 355 via Google, 12 via MSN, 18 via AOL ...)
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shakyone
My dream Minolta DSLR would compete with the 300D/10D and N70. It would meet the following criteria:
I would love to see a sensor cover that closes when a lens is removed, opens when the lens is put in both to to protect the CCD. Additionally it could be opened for CCD cleaning, unless it has it's own cleaning cycle.
I would also prefer a quality EVF like the A1 and Sony 828, this way you can get that hard shot over a crowd using the rear screen as your viewfinder, instead of being limited to the viewfinder like current DSLRs, plus, you wouldn't have a moving mirror adding vibration to the shot, and compromising some of the advantage of the Anti-shake it should also have. Not to mention it would have less parts, and room for more of components to give it the extra oomph minolta is known for.
30-1/4000 shutter,
Maxxum mount,
Standard excellent Minolta flash capabilties
Dimensions like the Maxxum 3/4/5 or A1 without the lens, whoever said small was a bad thing, I love my Maxxum 5 versus any larger camera, it just feels right.
An available optional grip, should you like the bigger feel.
MP, well something EQUAL to film on a 10x13 scale, I don't care about the MP count as long as the pictures are clean, without noise and look good when I want to get that large photo for a big frame.
Sensor size, Full-frame would be nice, so we don't need to shell out more money to get the wide angles we already have lenses for.
price: <$1000 of course.
Well, I'd buy it. Here's hoping, I'm staying dedicated either way.
I would love to see a sensor cover that closes when a lens is removed, opens when the lens is put in both to to protect the CCD. Additionally it could be opened for CCD cleaning, unless it has it's own cleaning cycle.
I would also prefer a quality EVF like the A1 and Sony 828, this way you can get that hard shot over a crowd using the rear screen as your viewfinder, instead of being limited to the viewfinder like current DSLRs, plus, you wouldn't have a moving mirror adding vibration to the shot, and compromising some of the advantage of the Anti-shake it should also have. Not to mention it would have less parts, and room for more of components to give it the extra oomph minolta is known for.
30-1/4000 shutter,
Maxxum mount,
Standard excellent Minolta flash capabilties
Dimensions like the Maxxum 3/4/5 or A1 without the lens, whoever said small was a bad thing, I love my Maxxum 5 versus any larger camera, it just feels right.
An available optional grip, should you like the bigger feel.
MP, well something EQUAL to film on a 10x13 scale, I don't care about the MP count as long as the pictures are clean, without noise and look good when I want to get that large photo for a big frame.
Sensor size, Full-frame would be nice, so we don't need to shell out more money to get the wide angles we already have lenses for.
price: <$1000 of course.
Well, I'd buy it. Here's hoping, I'm staying dedicated either way.
P
picturetaker
I realy need is, a built in lighter in the Camera. Or better a nikotin evaporizzer, thats probably why all the Profesionals are with Nikon.
> Posted by Fritz Müller (Picturetaker) on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - > 7:57 am: > > I realy need is, a built in lighter in the Camera. Or better a > nikotin evaporizzer, thats probably why all the Profesionals are > with Nikon.
What I really need is to not have to see antagonistic *and* uninformative posts. >
What I really need is to not have to see antagonistic *and* uninformative posts. >