Zeiss G lenses vs Zeiss SLR lenses

K

kbrocas

Is there a quality difference between the various ranges of Contact lenses? I am thinking about replacing my trusty Minolta 700si with a Contax G2, an NX or N1.

How do the Contax lenses compare between G and N1 / NZ lens line up?
 

trust

New Member
Hi Kirk,

usually the G lenses are seen as the best as 35mm can get, but I do not think that at CZ level this should be the decision maker.

Think more about the different character of the systems:
SLR is more versatile and technically top notch, RF is smaller and less obtrusive. Macro or telephoto work is impossible with RF.

Till
 
K

kbrocas

Thanks Till!

Ideally I want optimum picture quality, however I think I am favouring SLR at present for "what U see is what you get" over anything else. I have not used a RF before and am concerned about focus accuracy and parallex.

I am looking at putting together a kit along the lines of:

Contax NX Body
Contax N 28-80mm Vario Sonnar
2846.5 NZD

OR

Canon EOS 33 Body
Canon EF 50mm f1.4 USM
Canon EF 100mm f2 USM
Canon EF 24mm f2.8
3775.01 NZD

OR

Contax G2 Body
Contax G 45mm f2 Planar
Contax G 90mm f2.8 Sonnar

3366 NZD

NZD = New Zealand Dollars

Trying to keep the price on the low side of 3000 NZD

I believe that the N series zooms are more than a match for the SLR primes. (?)

How do the Canon prime lenses stack up against the Contax N series zooms and Contax Manual lenses?

Thanks
Kirk
 

ruben_blaedel

Well-Known Member
Kirk

I have a 100 mm 2.8 macro from canon. Together with the 300 4.oL it is the best lenses price/permonce wise i have had from canon. I did have i 24 mm but sold it and got a 20-35 mm - but im not to cracy about zoom lenses.
 
L

larrydeb

> [.Kirk,

I notice you mention NZ dollars. I gather your in New Zealand. The other day I noticed Kirk's Photographics on Lambton Quay in Wellington has a G1 with 2 lenses--I think the 45mm and the 28mm for 1900 NZD. You might want to start there if you opt for RF. I have a G1 and like it but I have never tried the G2.

I also have no connection with Kirk's Photographics--I was just passing.

Cheers,

Barry

Wellington]
 
J

jgban

Hi, Kirk
In the RF vs SLR issue, I would say that if you want to stay within that focal length range, either Contax system will perform admirably. Obviously, the SLR offers more versatility (possibility of macro, long teles, faster lenses...).

I don't have experience with Canon, but they seem to be more technologically advanced than Contax, the transition to digital will be easier and some of their lenses are said to be as good as Zeiss. Choosing Contax seems more an emotional decision than a rational one (but see who is talking...)

I own NX and G2 (I have said in other thread that I wish I had spent the extra US$ 300 last year and bought the N1 instead of the NX, but that is a different story). If I had to choose only one I would take the NX, mainly because I prefer long lenses. The G2 does feel more solid and a better camera (definitely a luxury item), and the lenses are amazing. But it is, by definition, more limited than an SLR. Of course, this may not be an issue at all depending of what style of photography you like. If portability is most important, go with the G2. If you do not want to change lenses frequently, you don't like viewfinders with little information that do not show what really is in focus and/or you think you may ever want a lens longer than 90, go with the SLR.
Good luck!

Juan
 
M

mike_nunan

One thing that nobody has mentioned yet is the matter of retrofocus wideangle lens designs. These are necessary with an SLR, because they allow sufficient room for the mirror box between the rear element and the film plane.

In rangefinder cameras the rear element can extend as far back as necessary, and this extra degree of design freedom allows can result in sharper wideangle lenses. Therefore, all other things being equal, I would expect the wides for the G-series to outdo their C/Y mount counterparts, in the same way that Leica M-mount items are held in higher regard than their R-series brethren.
 

rico

Well-Known Member
Kirk,

I have a Canon DSLR and Contax (C/Y) SLRs, with primes only. Both systems have primes of uniformly good optical performance, if not value.

Choose Contax C/Y for manual focus, distinctly superior mechanical build, beautiful optical character, and decent prices through the 28-135mm range. Choose Canon for AF, lower cost, world-class telephoto.

Your EF choice looks good. The equivalent Contax kit would be based on issues of cost, weight, optical excellence and lens availability: a couple are (35/2.8, 85/2.8) and (28/2.8, 50/1.4, 100/2).

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jhslater

Member
Kirk,

This is a tough decision. I have always been a fan of the rangefinder camera, but I realize the limitations, no macro or long lenses. That is why I also use SLRs as well. Pick the system that suits your imediate needs and get the other one later. I just picked up my G2 earlier htis year and am now looking at my next SLR. I probably will go Canon for the reasons Rico mentioned. Canon is far ahead of others in SLR technology and have some fantastic lenses.

Jim
 

smartrav

Well-Known Member
My viewfinder on my G2 is cloudy. Is this normal or do I need to send it in for cleaning? The viewfinder that goes to the 21mm lens is bright in comparison. >
 

rondo

Member
Is it really cloudy? Or are you using the 21mm + finder too much? The 21 mm finder is VERY bright...so if you used it a lot over time, it is possible that your eye is tricked.

Maybe someone has had a viewfinder get cloudy and can tell us about it.

Ron in New Mexico
 

jhslater

Member
David -

Viewfinders can become cloudy over yearsw of use if they are not well sealed. But, this is not real common. When I worked in a camera shop where we had our own repair department, we did get in cameras withcloudy viewfinders. Usually this was dueto separation of the two lenses that make up the front element of the viewfinder. I have even seen this in a Leica. A sharp blow can cause the elements to separate.

Has your viewfinder alwas been cloudy or is this a recent condition? Is the cloudy appearance even over the entire finder or does it vary?

Anybody else had any experience with this?

Jim
 

smartrav

Well-Known Member
> Jim said: David - > > Viewfinders can become cloudy over yearsw of use if they are not well > sealed. But, this is not real common. When I worked in a camera shop > where we had our own repair department, we did get in cameras > withcloudy viewfinders. Usually this was dueto separation of the two > lenses that make up the front element of the viewfinder. I have even > seen this in a Leica. A sharp blow can cause the elements to separate. > > Has your viewfinder alwas been cloudy or is this a recent condition? > Is the cloudy appearance even over the entire finder or does it vary? > > Anybody else had any experience with this? > > Jim

My reply: "My camera is brand new. Only 4 months old. I just looked through the G-2 viewfinder again and the foggy look is more like flare. Worse when looking at a light source. I need to know if I should send it in for warrenty work or if this is normal.

Thanks.

Dave
 

jhslater

Member
David,

The viewfinder should be crystal clear and sharp. Faisal suggested adjusting the diopter. The correct way to do this is to point the camera at a wall and adjust the diopter so the autofocus frame is sharp. This, however, will not clear up cloudiness. I suggest you have the camera checked by your dealer and compare with another body. If indeed your viewfinder is cloudy, it needs to be serviced by Kyocera.

Jim
 

faisal

Member
How about something like this

Contax G2 / 45mm F/2 / Tla-200 flash kit $1,249.95
Canon EF 100mm f/2 $364.95
Canon EOS Elan 7 $324.95

=1939.85$ = 3,370.14 NZD
I used US prices from adorama.com.

I use a similar RF/SLR setup which works well for me manly because I rarely feel a need to carry around a lens longer than 50mm for everyday general hand held photography.
As for the Contax zooms vs. canon primes question no mater what brand you choose zooms are bulkier and slower Contax doesn’t even have a constant aperture f/2.8 zoom like Canon or Nikon. As far as I am concerned this cancels out any gains in optical quality you get from CZ glass especially if you are going to hand hold your camera.

Regards,
Faisal
 
With rebates nearing an end, I still have not decided whether to purchase the G28. I have the N28-85 so the 28 would not enhance my lens range. I have the G45 and see a big difference in sharpness and contrast when comparing 4x6 prints from the 45mm to those taken with the N zoom.

My question: Will I see a similar striking difference with the 28mm? My hesitation to buy the 28 is that I would also buy another G2 body--I do not want to change lens.
I am not considering the 21.

Thanks for your help.
 

cle

New Member
Hi Diane:

I have a G2 + 45mm, and I also don't want to change lenses, so I bought a Ricoh GR1s to cover the 28mm end. The package is much more portable.
 

robgo2

Active Member
In response to Diane's question--I carry extra G lenses in a small waist pack. I can now change any lens in less than 20 seconds. With a little practice, so can you, thus reducing lens changing to only a minor inconvenience. If you want the 28/2.8G, get it. It is a stunningly good lens.
 
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